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alcazar 19 February 2012 12:58 PM

An holistic view? Or a holistic view?
 
Which is it, please?
Checked dictionary but it was no help, and MSWord doesn't like the former, preferring the latter.....

David Lock 19 February 2012 01:08 PM

Either.

"a" is more common now.I met an Hooray Henry or I met a Hooray Henry. A every time?


Just guessing mind :)

dl

boxst 19 February 2012 01:12 PM

H is a consonant so should be used with an ‘A’.

However, as it is silent in some instances you use it with an ‘AN’.:

A Holistic practitioner (you pronounce the ‘H’)
An honest idiot (you don’t pronounce the ‘H’)

David Lock 19 February 2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by boxst (Post 10495342)
H is a consonant so should be used with an ‘A’.

However, as it is silent in some instances you use it with an ‘AN’.:

A Holistic practitioner (you pronounce the ‘H’)
An honest idiot (you don’t pronounce the ‘H’)

That's so much better than my post :thumb:

dl

speedking 19 February 2012 01:23 PM

You say 'otel, I say hotel.

In formal writing use a hotel, but if writing dialogue then an hotel would suffice.

Or think of a word with the same meaning without the complications. That's what I used to do in French, l'hotel was always easier to get right than remembering whether it was le or la :)

boxst 19 February 2012 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by speedking (Post 10495350)
You say 'otel, I say hotel.

Admittedly I'm talking about people who pronounce things properly ;)

Bubba po 19 February 2012 02:22 PM

If the H is sounded, then you use A; when it's not, you use An. Simple as that, really.:)

alcazar 19 February 2012 04:31 PM

Cheers lads...a holistic view will be taken:)

Terminator X 19 February 2012 06:02 PM

Only use "an" when followed by a vowel ... an elephant, a rhino.

TX.

Edit - some exceptions as per boxst post :o

speedking 19 February 2012 07:36 PM

What about Widdecombe? That starts with a consonant :)

David Lock 19 February 2012 08:26 PM

BUT

You will often see "An Historic Occasion" which seems to be accepted.. dl

Boro 19 February 2012 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by David Lock (Post 10496009)
BUT

You will often see "An Historic Occasion" which seems to be accepted.. dl

Really? That even looks wrong.

JonMc 19 February 2012 09:36 PM

'A' works if you clearly pronounce the 'H' - but if you're being lazy and don't then 'an' fits but is grammatically incorrect.

Bubba po 19 February 2012 10:03 PM

Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .

alcazar 20 February 2012 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 10496233)
Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .

That works for me.

CREWJ 20 February 2012 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by speedking (Post 10495875)
What about Widdecombe? That starts with a consonant :)

:lol1:

boxst 20 February 2012 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 10496233)
Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .

I think that you got the order of the words wrong there:

"Some special people make a case of ... "

AsifScoob 20 February 2012 09:26 PM

Thought of this thread today while typing an email:

"We are currently in the middle of a RFQ", is what I typed. Is that correct Oh Scoobynets Fonts of Wisdom? :)

boxst 20 February 2012 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by AsifScoob (Post 10497602)
Thought of this thread today while typing an email:

"We are currently in the middle of a RFQ", is what I typed. Is that correct Oh Scoobynets Fonts of Wisdom? :)

It is theoretically correct, but for some reason it isn't.

The best I could find to explain it was if you have an acronym, depending on the letter it starts with:

vowel-sounding letters (take "an"):A E F H I L M N O R S X


consonant-sounding letters (take "a"):B C D G J K P Q T U V W Y Z

what would scooby do 20 February 2012 10:04 PM

a norange* ;)










*QI

AsifScoob 20 February 2012 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by boxst (Post 10497666)
It is theoretically correct, but for some reason it isn't.

The best I could find to explain it was if you have an acronym, depending on the letter it starts with:

vowel-sounding letters (take "an"):A E F H I L M N O R S X


consonant-sounding letters (take "a"):B C D G J K P Q T U V W Y Z

Cheers. I thought so, but it didn't read right that way, so although I wasn't happy with it, I sent it anyway!!:eek:

Asif

speedking 21 February 2012 01:18 PM

RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.

AsifScoob 21 February 2012 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by speedking (Post 10498233)
RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.

Thank you. I should clearly have gone with my gut on that one!

Asif

boxst 21 February 2012 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by speedking (Post 10498233)
RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.

It is a Request for Quote?

Leslie 22 February 2012 01:31 PM

I reckon it depends whether you want to impress others or not!

Les


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