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Old 19 February 2012, 12:58 PM
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Default An holistic view? Or a holistic view?

Which is it, please?
Checked dictionary but it was no help, and MSWord doesn't like the former, preferring the latter.....
Old 19 February 2012, 01:08 PM
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Either.

"a" is more common now.I met an Hooray Henry or I met a Hooray Henry. A every time?


Just guessing mind

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Old 19 February 2012, 01:12 PM
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H is a consonant so should be used with an ‘A’.

However, as it is silent in some instances you use it with an ‘AN’.:

A Holistic practitioner (you pronounce the ‘H’)
An honest idiot (you don’t pronounce the ‘H’)
Old 19 February 2012, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
H is a consonant so should be used with an ‘A’.

However, as it is silent in some instances you use it with an ‘AN’.:

A Holistic practitioner (you pronounce the ‘H’)
An honest idiot (you don’t pronounce the ‘H’)
That's so much better than my post

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Old 19 February 2012, 01:23 PM
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You say 'otel, I say hotel.

In formal writing use a hotel, but if writing dialogue then an hotel would suffice.

Or think of a word with the same meaning without the complications. That's what I used to do in French, l'hotel was always easier to get right than remembering whether it was le or la
Old 19 February 2012, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by speedking
You say 'otel, I say hotel.
Admittedly I'm talking about people who pronounce things properly
Old 19 February 2012, 02:22 PM
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If the H is sounded, then you use A; when it's not, you use An. Simple as that, really.
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Cheers lads...a holistic view will be taken
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Only use "an" when followed by a vowel ... an elephant, a rhino.

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Edit - some exceptions as per boxst post

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What about Widdecombe? That starts with a consonant
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BUT

You will often see "An Historic Occasion" which seems to be accepted.. dl
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Originally Posted by David Lock
BUT

You will often see "An Historic Occasion" which seems to be accepted.. dl
Really? That even looks wrong.
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'A' works if you clearly pronounce the 'H' - but if you're being lazy and don't then 'an' fits but is grammatically incorrect.
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Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .
That works for me.
Old 20 February 2012, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by speedking
What about Widdecombe? That starts with a consonant
Old 20 February 2012, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Some people make a special case of "AN Hotel". They make the argument that the modern English pronunciation of hotel, with the 'H' aspirate, is just a recent affectation and that the proper pronunciation is 'otel, as in the French .
I think that you got the order of the words wrong there:

"Some special people make a case of ... "
Old 20 February 2012, 09:26 PM
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Thought of this thread today while typing an email:

"We are currently in the middle of a RFQ", is what I typed. Is that correct Oh Scoobynets Fonts of Wisdom?
Old 20 February 2012, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Thought of this thread today while typing an email:

"We are currently in the middle of a RFQ", is what I typed. Is that correct Oh Scoobynets Fonts of Wisdom?
It is theoretically correct, but for some reason it isn't.

The best I could find to explain it was if you have an acronym, depending on the letter it starts with:

vowel-sounding letters (take "an"):A E F H I L M N O R S X


consonant-sounding letters (take "a"):B C D G J K P Q T U V W Y Z
Old 20 February 2012, 10:04 PM
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a norange*










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Old 20 February 2012, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
It is theoretically correct, but for some reason it isn't.

The best I could find to explain it was if you have an acronym, depending on the letter it starts with:

vowel-sounding letters (take "an"):A E F H I L M N O R S X


consonant-sounding letters (take "a"):B C D G J K P Q T U V W Y Z
Cheers. I thought so, but it didn't read right that way, so although I wasn't happy with it, I sent it anyway!!

Asif
Old 21 February 2012, 01:18 PM
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RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.
Old 21 February 2012, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by speedking
RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.
Thank you. I should clearly have gone with my gut on that one!

Asif
Old 21 February 2012, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by speedking
RFQ is not an acronym it is an abbreviation. An abbreviation is pronounced in full as R-F-Q.

An acronym is an abbreviation that spells a word, e.g. BRAKE, that is pronounced brake, not B-R-A-K-E.

Traditionally an acronym had to be a proper word like RAM or PLUTO, nowadays it seems that anything pronouncable, e.g. UNESCO, NASA, is considered to be an acronym by some.

So for R-F-Q consider the R which should be preceded by "an" are-eff-queue.
It is a Request for Quote?
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I reckon it depends whether you want to impress others or not!

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