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tyler120706 18 February 2012 08:56 PM

fitting a 2.5 bottom end to my classic need help
 
i bought a 2.5 sti 10 bottom end to fit to my t2000 my00 planning on usingthe 2 ltr heads and inlet ive put the engine together using 2 ltr head gaskets and while trying to sort the cam timing out there is something stopping the piston from going right to the top. i researched the build before i commited to it and i know they block and heads fit together and i also know the bottom end is good. could the 2 litre gaskets be stopping the piston from finnishing its cycle to the top ????

everything rotates as it should till they get to the top im puzzled:confused:

jef 18 February 2012 08:58 PM

or seen someone build, an a hoseclip fell into cylinder just as putting head on haha

classic!!!

i dont now ins and outs but its either a vlave or hg or "forgein debris" lol

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:02 PM

the valves are open as there is no cam belt on to turn then. and the heads have just been put on so there is no forgein bodies in the cylinders

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:04 PM

you really should of used 2.5 head gaskets, if the pistons rise above the deck height, they are quite probably going to hit the gasket what thickness did you use ?

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:08 PM

ive used 0.7 composite 2 litre turbo gaskets standard ones, is it possible the bore on the gasket is fouling the top of the piston it isnt much out one tooth i think but the 1mm ish od gasket maybe stopping the piston from completing its travel

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:13 PM

would of thought .7 is too small as well, when i built my old 2.5 i used a 1.6mm cosworth gasket, did you calculate compression ratio when you put it together or just bolt it all up and hope for the best ?

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:15 PM

also if you want it to last i would of used a MLS gasket too, not composite

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:21 PM

I just assumed standard build standard gaskets tbh didn't think bout any of the CRs involved

JdcTypeR 18 February 2012 09:21 PM

You need 2.5l headgaskets

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:22 PM

Is that why my pistons aren't getting full travel ??

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by tyler120706 (Post 10494634)
I just assumed standard build standard gaskets tbh didn't think bout any of the CRs involved

and because of this it looks like your doing it again im afraid mate

JdcTypeR 18 February 2012 09:26 PM

I would say so mate, the 2.5 pistons are 99.5mm and the 2 litre are 92mm I think

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:27 PM

never assume anything when putting a motor together !

p1kris 18 February 2012 09:30 PM

if you used 2.0 gaskets no doubt the piston protusion is causing the piston to come in contact with the compression ring on the gasket :eek:

jef 18 February 2012 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by P1Drifter (Post 10494651)
never assume anything when putting a subaru motor together !

lol

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:34 PM

right so ill need to get some 2.5 gaskets what size do i need ???

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by tyler120706 (Post 10494664)
right so ill need to get some 2.5 gaskets what size do i need ???

i dont know how to work compression ratios

P1Drifter 18 February 2012 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by tyler120706 (Post 10494664)
right so ill need to get some 2.5 gaskets what size do i need ???

work out your compression ratio, then you will know

tyler120706 18 February 2012 09:47 PM

ive found this but im unsure of what info to enter

http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html

tyler120706 18 February 2012 10:07 PM

ive just had the veirners on the 2 litre gaskets i already have there actually 1.6 composite efforts

merlin24 18 February 2012 11:16 PM

As above, your trying to push a 99.50mm piston crown through a 92mm gasket hole - aint going to happen - you will just bow the fire ring up on the gasket.

Mick

tyler120706 18 February 2012 11:18 PM

Any ideas on what gaskets I'm best getting size wise 1.6 mm or something different ?

merlin24 18 February 2012 11:33 PM


Originally Posted by tyler120706 (Post 10494832)
Any ideas on what gaskets I'm best getting size wise 1.6 mm or something different ?

All depends what static CR you want to run and Combustion chamber volume, piston bowl volume, piston compression height etc etc.
Would imagine with '00 cylinder heads and EJ257B bottom end - somewhere between 1.1 and 1.6mm thick gaskets and make sure you opt for MLS (multi layer steel gaskets) and not the composite gaskets which tend to fail around the lower coolant gallery's.

Mick

tyler120706 19 February 2012 08:11 AM

ok thanks for the help im going to see if i can get some gaskets today slim hope on a sunday but ill post up on the progress


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