Maximum Safe Methanol Mix on a JDM MY01 STI
Obviously anything up to 20% seems practical and safe, but what about anything above this?
Any experiences please, especially on a standard block and internals. Thanks Rob PS I know that Andrew Carr mapped a motor early this year on 60% Meth along with some other ingredients to help lube, but Im not sure of the details, plus it was a forged build. |
iv been told it will eat thought the fuel system over time,,ie seals and pipework but im not sure how true this is
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Originally Posted by domino46
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iv been told it will eat thought the fuel system over time,,ie seals and pipework but im not sure how true this is
Nobody has reported issues on the "newage" cars that I can fnd, so I guess its ok on 2000/2001 > cars :wonder: |
duncan has run much higher on his time attack car and dont think he had any issues, i have heard fuel lines corrode etc but it would be over time and nothing major, i just run it at 20% and it works fine, not to mention cheaper than v-power
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Rob
I just found this if you fit teflon hose as i have done then as the diagram shows that methonel will work fine with the ptfe inner with no problems to the fuel system at all http://www.texloc.com/cl_chemical_resist_chart2.html |
Originally Posted by Pramas
(Post 10312285)
duncan has run much higher on his time attack car and dont think he had any issues, i have heard fuel lines corrode etc but it would be over time and nothing major, i just run it at 20% and it works fine, not to mention cheaper than v-power
Originally Posted by leecalcars
(Post 10312323)
Rob
I just found this if you fit teflon hose as i have done then as the diagram shows that methonel will work fine with the ptfe inner with no problems to the fuel system at all http://www.texloc.com/cl_chemical_resist_chart2.html Rob |
simple for me 20% meth if duncan can map it in with a switch.
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Originally Posted by leecalcars
(Post 10312425)
simple for me 20% meth if duncan can map it in with a switch.
I would still be interested in knowing if over 20% is safe (ANYONE?) Rob :D |
I dont think its a matter of being safe as it wouldnt do any damage as far as i am aware(But dont do it on my say so, lol) but the gains are just not there for over 20%, As you get an average of around 10% increase in power with 20% meth, For example if you then put say 40% meth mix in it does not equate to a further 8-10% increase on top of the already gained 10%, There are very little gains over the 20% threshold as far as i know regardless of the percentage of meth.
I think the issue with fuel lines/tank corrosion is down to the methanols ability to draw in water/condensation (not the correct term but i`ve had a hard day at work and cant think of the word i want, lol) which in turn causes the issues to fuel tanks/lines etc..... Obviously the longer a car has been using it the more likely it is that there will be corrosion somewhere, Especially if the car has been left for a certain amount of time with the mix still in the tank. I`m sure the 20+% mix has been tried with not very outstanding results which is why most people tend to stick with normal, 10-20%, Ive been thinking about getting another map put on my Spec-C with a 20% meth mix with the standard VF36, I`ve often wondered how close to 400 it could get being in virtually standard form, Excluding the exhaust, panel filter and a 3 port??? Gaz. |
Originally Posted by GAZ2293
(Post 10313681)
Ive been thinking about getting another map put on my Spec-C with a 20% meth mix with the standard VF36, I`ve often wondered how close to 400 it could get being in virtually standard form, Excluding the exhaust, panel filter and a 3 port???
Gaz. I asked the same questions, and here is a response although with a VF30: https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...to-be-had.html Hope this helps you a little :thumb: Rob |
20% is the magic number Rob - there are limited gains beyond that and dont outweigh the downsides IMHO. I ran a 50% mix
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Originally Posted by dynamix
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there are limited gains beyond that and dont outweigh the downsides IMHO.
Martyn |
Originally Posted by MartynJ
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What like standing at the pump for 30 minutes while you put in 5 Jerry cans of methanol before filling up, lol.
Martyn |
PMSL - 2 Jerry cans is enough to arouse suspicion at my local Shell garage! So 20% it is then, thanks for the info guys. I wasnt sure of the negatives by using more than 20%, but im guessing by Duncan's response the potential risk by far out weighs the gains. I just recall a conversation in the past with Andrew that he was mapping a car on some exotic cocktail, of which one was 60% meth and only 20% Petrol! (I cant recall the other 20% ingredient although it was something to help keeps things lubed lol) Anyway im happy with the outcome. Thanks again guys. Rob
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Originally Posted by Rob Day
(Post 10314472)
PMSL - 2 Jerry cans is enough to arouse suspicion at my local Shell garage! So 20% it is then, thanks for the info guys. I wasnt sure of the negatives by using more than 20%, but im guessing by Duncan's response the potential risk by far out weighs the gains. I just recall a conversation in the past with Andrew that he was mapping a car on some exotic cocktail, of which one was 60% meth and only 20% Petrol! (I cant recall the other 20% ingredient although it was something to help keeps things lubed lol) Anyway im happy with the outcome. Thanks again guys. Rob
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The problem with a high mix of methanol is getting enough in to the engine. Whilst methanol has a higher octane than petrol it doesn't yield the same amount of energy for the same quantity. You would need massive injectors and pump(s) to get enough methanol in. In theory you could run 100% methanol as long as you could get enough in and because it has such a cooling effect you may even be able to run without an intercooler.
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Is there a way of setting up a seperate tank for the methanol and having it mixed in the lines - or ven a direct injection method so you could switch easily between the two and not have the risks of seperation in the tank etc.
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I thinks its unlikely to seperate in the tank unless unused for long periods of time.
I like the idea of Running 100% meth, esecially at 55p per litre! |
Originally Posted by BlueBugEye
(Post 10315040)
Is there a way of setting up a seperate tank for the methanol and having it mixed in the lines - or ven a direct injection method so you could switch easily between the two and not have the risks of seperation in the tank etc.
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Originally Posted by Rob Day
(Post 10315324)
I thinks its unlikely to seperate in the tank unless unused for long periods of time.
I like the idea of Running 100% meth, esecially at 55p per litre! 100% meth will need a lubricant in the mix too. |
Originally Posted by GAZ2293
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Isn't that just the Spec C water spray tank for the I/C?
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Originally Posted by BlueBugEye
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Isn't that just the Spec C water spray tank for the I/C?
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What do people think of aquamist, can it supply the 20%
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Originally Posted by BlueBugEye
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What do people think of aquamist, can it supply the 20%
Jura |
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