RS4 is only one they got right, shame really :(

TX.

BMWs are crap.........Ill throw petrol on the bonfire!











Just for the sake of parity, so are Audis and M-Bs!

:fight:

So you are comparing several specialist performance cars against an executive saloon!

Well done ;)

3.0d Audi versus 3.0d BMW is a no brainer.

I hate to agree with Matee :p but BMW have nailed diesels compared to Audi. At the mo looking into a 3l diesel 2005-2007, and like for like the BMW has more power, less emissions, cheaper tax, better mileage and is faster than the Audi. I think the Audi interior and spec is better, but as a driver, the cars performance/ability is more important and this is where the BM hands the Audi its ass on a plate.

Plus we all know that 4wd isn't the be all and end all, thats why we're in OM and not Scooby General, ever since I owned a scoob I could appreciate the downsides 4wd meant with weight and drivetrain losses.

My RS6 (earlier shape one) is superior to my 535d m sport in every way and is much nicer (and faster) than any of my 3 previous imprezas including Spec C and Type R.I will no doubt get bored of the 520bhp at some point and want something different but not until the kids are a bit bigger

now there.s a fair man :freak3:

It gets a bit restrictive when you have got bored of 520bhp. Where next?

I'd like a 911 turbo but the mrs wont let me so i don't know really.I don't thrash about in any car i have owned so i have never or will ever get the full use from all the power,I just like a car that is nice to look at,nice to drive and has a bit of poke when i need it.
Saying that i wouldnt mind a Monaro Bathurst edition ;)

Oh dear you are upset aren't you?
As mentioned you are comparing very different cars and a 335d is actually a fair bit quicker and dynamically superior to a 535d anyway.

Anyway, carry on ranting. Always fun to watch.

same here i had a 55 plate ecu remapped 535 m sport , awfull car lost 10k in the sale , just glad ive got a audi now, (petrol) :) :D :thumb:

What does that mean? A much better safer car to own?

Sorry Alan but you are talking nonsense, if you need 4wd to give you safety you can't drive for toffee. I've driven a 500+ BHP M5 for 3 years and have never lost control of it. I feel very safe with my wife and two small kids in this car. If I didn't I wouldn't own it.

The so called recent pinnacle for Audi ie the B7 RS4? I owned one for approx 72 hours before I sold it (for a tiny profit), it was too slow. It was way over stated for power, they don't really produce 420 BHP.

As for these so called classy Audi interiors, personally I don't like them, and to me they are far from classy.

I've owned RS, AMG and M Power and I'm afraid to say there is only one king and and his name starts with a M.

I would never buy another Audi, might buy another AMG, but will definitely own the next M5.

You may be swimming against the tide there Alan.

As for depreciation, try big Audis. They don't depreciate, they plummet!

Dingdongler, Im sure he was just talking about the general consensus that 4 wheel drive is safer than rear wheel drive. It is also widely regarded that Audi interiors are class leading so it is interesting to hear valued comments from someone who has experienced this first hand say the opposite maybe just try it in a less confrontational manner next time.

I'm not being confrontational mate.;)

Seriously though, I would disagree that there is any consensus that 4wd is some how safer than rear wheel drive. Why do you say this and what data is it based on?

Funnily enough, my 4wd car can be far more dangerous than my rwd pick up or the wifes rwd car.

Not on data, just from many opinions that Ive heard over many years. Topgear, 5th gear magazine reviews etc. Why? Do you have data that says that rear wheel drive is safer?

No, I have no data but I'm not the one saying categorically that one is safer than the other. I would say that perhaps it is conventional wisdom amongst Scooby owners that 4wd is safer, but it is not what I would say is 'general consensus'

Actually, I'm not even sure what you mean by 'safer'. What do you mean? They are involved in less accidents? You are more likely to survive if you have a crash?
I'd feel a lot 'safer' in my M5 with multiple airbags, huge crumple zones, big brakes, excellent tyres than in a 1998 WRX with none of that but 4 wheel drive.

So it's not as straightforward to just say 4wd cars are 'safer', you'll need to qualify what you mean, and saying you read it in a magazine or James May says so is not really an answer.

Dingdongler you believe what you want, I will do the same.

how big should i try David :D

But still a bit of a slow coach :D I love it when the audi a8's drive right up your bumber thinking they are going to harras you into moving over then a slight press of the go faster pedal leaves a monsterous gap between me and the audi and I'm on the inside lane by this time making it look like the audi is hogging up all the fast lane :D

Ok Ok. Then he was just saying what a lot of scooby drivers think. So can no scooby drivers drive for toffee as thats what you were assuming about Allan in a my willy is bigger than yours way. All Im saying is that is what I thought as well, due to extra traction. I dont need data :rolleyes: or experience to be able to trust what quite a few people say. If we all did that then schools and uni would take a long time if everyone chirped up "prove it wheres the data". You just trust them. Im sure he was just speaking about what he has been led to believe, like I have but it doesnt mean that he cant drive, saying that will often lead to a punch up on here. Sorry no I dont have data or a link to prove it.

I've driven a few fast Audi's from an B4 S4, to the V8 RS4, to the current R8.

Audi got the handling right with the V8 RS4. Loved driving that car. The last RS4, and previous S4's were very numb to drive. Quick? yes, but soleless.

The R8 is just on another level for Audi. People really do need to drive this car, is it's such a bl00dy nice car to drive. It's got brilliant handling, and that engine (V8) is glorious. It sounds awsome too. Haven't driven the V10 yet, but will do soon.

I was hoping the TT RS was going to be another winner for Audi, and quite fancied one. Early reports were it was fast, but dull, so saved £15k and bought a Nissan 370Z instead. Reading Evo's reports on their TT RS, seem to suggest it is a good car afterall.

It looks like Audi have dropped a Bollox with the RS5. Why they stuck with the V8 instead of the Turbo/supercharged V6 is beyond me. Could have had more power/torque in an engine that probably weights less too. The handling? Haven't driven one, but reports suggest it rubbish.

I like the Audi A5, and specced a 3.0TDI (again before deciding on the 370Z) and as an everyday car, it's ticks every box. But it no fun car.

I'll take a test drive of the TT RS when the Nissan is up for replacement, and judging by Chris Harris's report on BMW's 1-series M, I'll take a look at that.

How can they be so hit and miss and go backwards from the RS4?

If I remeber correctly, Audi pinched the guy responsible for BMW's chassis dynamics. Thus creating the RS4, and probably the R8.

I believe said bloke is now back at BMW.

Could be wrong, but I'm sure I read that somewhere.

I think most people think the best thing about the car is its engine...

...and real drivers prefer n/a as it gives a much more linear and proportional response. Can't beat cubic capacity :D

:lol1::lol1::lol1: If that is true.

Does anybody remember when the S5 came out? There was a major disappointment back then too....

Surely the RS5 being luke warm shouldn't be that much of a surprise......

No, I dont think it is but you always hope...well not that it makes any difference to me as I will never buy one.

Interesting comments, have to agree most of the Audis I've driven have been quick, very effective, but ultimaely souleless, including my current shape S3. But does feel very safe in all weather and all roads. Especially when go for an overtake and hit standing water on the wrong side of the road !
Drove the 370Z and just could not get on with it, so little space inside. TTRS Cab is probably going to the replacmant for my S3 - if I feel it worth the extra over a TTS cab !
R8 both V8 and V10 I just loved & so nice to drive but cant afford either of them yet.

I think a lot of time choice of cars depend on what roads driving on & where live. For me its mostly badly maintained A road or even worse B roads and a steep hill that goes to my house.
Its fun to watch the rwd BMW etc (and the fwd Audis as well) struggle when there is 1mm of snow on the ground trying to get up the hill.
I feel that BMW have mastered the diesel engines better than Audi, but need to take a lesson from Audi on how to do an interior. And Audi need to learn from BMW on how to mass produce a fun / sporty handling car.

I'm not a believer in cubic capacity argument, do like well designed turbo engines.

Richard