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hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 07:30 AM

Check engine light
 
Hey Guys

Here goes..... On saturday i got rid of my cone filter and replaced it with a standard airbox. (no problems with fitting etc) Whilst this was out the maf sensor was cleaned. Did the maf check by disconnecting sensor, the car stalled. (not a perfect test but a good indication).

This morning however whilst on the way to work. the car started to cough and splutter slighty, then the check engine light came on. The car was hold back but not great amounts. The fuel is low but no petrol light.

Any help would be great to fault find. I will put into test mode this afternoon and check the faults. Just wondering if there is anything i should be looking for.

MY00 Classic wagon


Steve

Chris 'n' Jen 14 July 2010 11:22 AM

Hi mate

If you need help reading the code I have the means to do it if you have an OBDII port. Nothing as fancy as Romraider but it should nonetheless read the code. Might point you in the right direction.

I’m not too far from you – if your car is still drivable I could meet you sometime at the services where the A689 meets the A19. Think there is a KFC and the like there.

Chris

hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Chris 'n' Jen (Post 9494334)
Hi mate

If you need help reading the code I have the means to do it if you have an OBDII port. Nothing as fancy as Romraider but it should nonetheless read the code. Might point you in the right direction.

I’m not too far from you – if your car is still drivable I could meet you sometime at the services where the A689 meets the A19. Think there is a KFC and the like there.

Chris

Hi Chris

Thanks for the offer mate I have a cable and stuff. Just hoping it points me in the right direction. Just drove it now and there is no light on.

Once again it's great to know that people like your self are available for help. I will post codes when j get them and see if we can sort it.

Steve

hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 02:24 PM

Just hooked upto laptop. Code 22 knock correction. The light has gone off and been of for the rest of the day so far.

Chris 'n' Jen 14 July 2010 02:27 PM

I’m lead to believe that if the light has gone off the problem hasn’t re-occurred?

hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 02:50 PM

I have reset the ECU and the code has gone.

Splitpin 14 July 2010 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by hpoolsteve (Post 9494085)
Here goes..... On saturday i got rid of my cone filter and replaced it with a standard airbox. (no problems with fitting etc)

If the ECU wasn't mapped for the cone filter, that's a very good move.


Whilst this was out the maf sensor was cleaned.
Why? Did it appear dirty/grimy, was your car suffering from some sort of problem that led you to believe the sensor was contaminated, or did you just do this electively?


Did the maf check by disconnecting sensor, the car stalled. (not a perfect test but a good indication).
No, it isn't a "good indication" at all, where did you get that idea? It'd be great if it worked but unfortunately the only thing it's a good indication of is your propensity to believe stuff you read on the internet without thinking about it.

This "test" is complete bullsh*t and gives you no indication whatsoever about any of the hardware in your car, let alone the "health" of the airflow meter.


This morning however whilst on the way to work. the car started to cough and splutter slighty, then the check engine light came on. The car was hold back but not great amounts.

Any help would be great to fault find. I will put into test mode this afternoon and check the faults. Just wondering if there is anything i should be looking for.
Just FYI, the mode in which you read off the diagnostic codes from the check engine light (i.e. connecting the black plugs) is called Read Memory Mode, not test mode. Test mode's the one where you connect the green plugs and it cycles all the components under the bonnet.

If you've had the knock sensor (22) error, keep a close eye on your Check Engine Light as if it's come one once, chances are it'll come on again. Also if your car was coughing and spluttering as the error came on, I would not, at this point, assume that everything is fine just because it's gone away.


Originally Posted by Chris 'n' Jen (Post 9494620)
I’m lead to believe that if the light has gone off the problem hasn’t re-occurred?

If the light's gone off, that means the error condition that caused it to come on in the first place is no longer present. However, as above, that doesn't implicitly imply that it's time to breathe easy and assume everything is good.

Steve, can you tell us more about the context of this thread so we can possibly help you diagnose a bit better? Under certain circumstances, for example, a failing airflow meter can trigger the code 22 error, so if we know you're suspicious about your MAF, while, under normal circumstances, an (intermittent) failure in the knock sensor or its circuit will not make the car "cough and splutter" (as it is purely a monitoring device).

Seeing as your car did cough and splutter when the check engine light came on, suspicion would suggest that the code 22 was actually an indirect result of a misreading airflow meter, or else there's a short circuit somewhere in your wiring loom in which the knock sensor circuit is involved.

Given you've had an induction kit on, the obvious path of suspicion would be the MAF. Does the sensor in your car at the moment have a stripe of green paint on its mounting flange?

hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9494684)
If the ECU wasn't mapped for the cone filter, that's a very good move.



Why? Did it appear dirty/grimy, was your car suffering from some sort of problem that led you to believe the sensor was contaminated, or did you just do this electively?

No, it isn't a "good indication" at all, where did you get that idea? It'd be great if it worked but unfortunately the only thing it's a good indication of is your propensity to believe stuff you read on the internet without thinking about it.

This "test" is complete bullsh*t and gives you no indication whatsoever about any of the hardware in your car, let alone the "health" of the airflow meter.



Just FYI, the mode in which you read off the diagnostic codes from the check engine light (i.e. connecting the black plugs) is called Read Memory Mode, not test mode. Test mode's the one where you connect the green plugs and it cycles all the components under the bonnet.

If you've had the knock sensor (22) error, keep a close eye on your Check Engine Light as if it's come one once, chances are it'll come on again. Also if your car was coughing and spluttering as the error came on, I would not, at this point, assume that everything is fine just because it's gone away.



If the light's gone off, that means the error condition that caused it to come on in the first place is no longer present. However, as above, that doesn't implicitly imply that it's time to breathe easy and assume everything is good.

Steve, can you tell us more about the context of this thread so we can possibly help you diagnose a bit better? Under certain circumstances, for example, a failing airflow meter can trigger the code 22 error, so if we know you're suspicious about your MAF, while, under normal circumstances, an (intermittent) failure in the knock sensor or its circuit will not make the car "cough and splutter" (as it is purely a monitoring device).

Seeing as your car did cough and splutter when the check engine light came on, suspicion would suggest that the code 22 was actually an indirect result of a misreading airflow meter, or else there's a short circuit somewhere in your wiring loom in which the knock sensor circuit is involved.

Given you've had an induction kit on, the obvious path of suspicion would be the MAF. Does the sensor in your car at the moment have a stripe of green paint on its mounting flange?


I cleaned the MAF sensor about a week before i put the standard airbox back on. Purely because of the things i have read on here. And the fact that i was using a "cone filter".

When i say cough and splutter it was more like a hold back of power and then the engine light came on. about a mile later then the petrol light came on. Straight to garage to fill up.

There is no green strip on the MAF.

Splitpin. As you have gathered by now im border line retarded :lol1: so if there is any other info you require then just scream at me.

Splitpin 14 July 2010 04:53 PM

Hmmmm. Were you accelerating reasonably hard and/or round a corner when you had the "hold back" and the check engine light?

Also, just for clarification, the green stripe I'm referring to should be actually on the sensor mounting flange (next to the upper security torx mounting screw), like this (thanks to Joz for the pic):

https://i267.photobucket.com/albums/.../MY99MAF-1.jpg

If your sensor doesn't have that green stripe (or the white C36xxxx) text, if I were in your shoes I would buy a new one and fit it ASAP. This is purely on the basis that if you don't have a stripe sensor, that means the one in your car is at least five years old, and, as we know, has spent some time in an induction kit.

On this basis alone it's a candidate for elective replacement.

hpoolsteve 14 July 2010 05:22 PM

The maf does have a small green strip on like the above picture.

I was under reasonably hard acceleration but not excessive.

Thanks

hpoolsteve 16 July 2010 06:57 PM

Bump....... Splitpin please help, Thank you

Splitpin 16 July 2010 10:26 PM

Not sure there's any more we can tell you at this juncture buddy. It's not going to be possible for any of us to tell you with certainty what caused the CEL, so you have the option either to sit back and see if it recurs, or to take some elective action on the basis of a hunch.

If I were in your shoes I would probably fit a brand new airflow meter. Given that your current one has spent some time behind the cone filter, and given the symptoms, it wouldn't be surprising to find it's not quite what it once was.

One thing you could do, if you have some security Torx screwdrivers is to loosen off the two large screws holding the sensor in position and rotate it 180 degrees in its housing (or if you don't have the screwdrivers, use a mirror to look underneath).

This should allow you to see a four digit code printed in white text on the underside of the mounting flange. The first number of that code is the year the sensor was manufactured. If it's a 7, for example, that means your sensor's around 3 years old, and on that basis you'd probably be justified in replacing it anyway, especially given the cone filter, and the odd engine behaviour.

hpoolsteve 17 July 2010 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by Splitpin (Post 9499272)
Not sure there's any more we can tell you at this juncture buddy. It's not going to be possible for any of us to tell you with certainty what caused the CEL, so you have the option either to sit back and see if it recurs, or to take some elective action on the basis of a hunch.

If I were in your shoes I would probably fit a brand new airflow meter. Given that your current one has spent some time behind the cone filter, and given the symptoms, it wouldn't be surprising to find it's not quite what it once was.

One thing you could do, if you have some security Torx screwdrivers is to loosen off the two large screws holding the sensor in position and rotate it 180 degrees in its housing (or if you don't have the screwdrivers, use a mirror to look underneath).

This should allow you to see a four digit code printed in white text on the underside of the mounting flange. The first number of that code is the year the sensor was manufactured. If it's a 7, for example, that means your sensor's around 3 years old, and on that basis you'd probably be justified in replacing it anyway, especially given the cone filter, and the odd engine behaviour.

Splitpin as ever the genius. Thanks very much for your help and suggestions.

Steve

Jolly Green Monster 17 July 2010 08:46 AM

I would agree and also add that you shouldn't clean 99/00 maf's as they are too fragile.

Simon

hpoolsteve 17 July 2010 11:39 AM

Thanks Simon for the advice.

Going to get a new one. Best thing all round really.

Jolly Green Monster 17 July 2010 02:44 PM

Its good to have spare anyway


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