good power and acceleration...
Looking for some advise on parts:
I currently have a 2002 Prodrive STi, with performance friction brakes and BC suspension. I am currently collecting parts to for engine mods....aim is decent power and good acceleration - car is going to become a track day toy. Stripping the weight will come later :) Parts to collect is: Fuel pump Fuel FPR Turbo FMIC I have 650cc injectors and an induction kit. Looking at an ECUTek remap once all is fitted. The question is what turbo(s) are around for power and acceleration? Should I be looking at changing anything or all of the exhaust? Or is the prodrive good enough? Anything else, that I should be considering changing at the same time? Clutch? Recommendations? Thanks |
650cc injectors are good for around 460+ bhp, I think.
So perhaps a MD321T or SC46 Billet or S206? Great spooling turbos for the 450bhp or so that they can make on V-Power (S206 can go to 500+ bhp too... ;)) Can the OEM MAF/MAP sensor handle the airflow/required boost target, respectively, for 450+ bhp, though? Of course you will have to consider a 6sp, PPG or Scooby Clinic box (or does your MY STi already have the 6sp? :wonder:) |
Originally Posted by joz8968
(Post 9376394)
650cc injectors are good for around 460+ bhp, I think.
So perhaps a MD321T or SC46 Billet or S206? Great spooling turbos for the 450bhp or so that they can make on V-Power (S206 can go to 500+ bhp too... ;)) Can the OEM MAF/MAP sensor handle the airflow/required boost target, repectively, for 450+ bhp, though? Of course you will have to consider a 6sp, PPG or Scooby Clinic box (or does your MY STi already have the 6sp? :wonder:) https://www.scoobynet.com/trader-ann...206-turbo.html :) No idea about the MAF/MAP sensor so good point - something I need to look into! Already have a 6spd :) its a 2002 model... |
Joz it's a New-Age STI they all have six speed boxes.... MAF will be fine.
My OEM clutch gave up at 360 ft.lb.s.... You need an un-equal length tubular manifold, roller bearing turbo, and if it is a track toy 3" decat'd exhaust system. Should get you to around 400 bhp. For much more a FMIC will be advisable... IMHO dunx P.S. I used an MD321H, but as mentioned there are several newer items out now. |
Originally Posted by dunx
(Post 9376405)
Joz it's a New-Age STI they all have six speed boxes.... MAF will be fine.
My OEM clutch gave up at 360 ft.lb.s.... You need an un-equal length tubular manifold, roller bearing turbo, and if it is a track toy 3" decat'd exhaust system. Should get you to around 400 bhp. For much more a FMIC will be advisable... IMHO dunx P.S. I used an MD321H, but as mentioned there are several newer items out now. FMIC is on the list and the 3" decat is about to be added, thanks! Will have a look/search for that turbo as well, thanks. |
Originally Posted by dunx
(Post 9376405)
Joz it's a New-Age STI they all have six speed boxes....
BTW graham, beware that the S206 is not a 'true' std position turbo - needs its bespoke d/p elbow and the comp cover is, in effect, rotated 180deg and 'mirrored' (from memory). So will have to modify the FMIC's turbo-IC 'hot-side' pipework/hoses... |
Originally Posted by joz8968
(Post 9376414)
Thought so, although was not 100% sure lol ;) Ta. I'm a 'Classic' man, me. :lol1:
BTW graham, beware that the S206 is not a 'true' std position turbo - needs its bespoke d/p elbow and the comp cover is, in efffect, rotated 180deg and 'mirrored' (from memory). So will have to modify the FMIC's turbo-IC 'hot-side' pipework/hoses... |
Yeah, I'd defo stick to std pos tubs. Also, because the S206 can flow 500+ bhp, then perhaps it might be just that bit laggier than the other two.
Maybe. |
graham, see posts #324 and #325!!! :-
https://www.scoobynet.com/752989-typ...achine-11.html I think you'll be chomping after a MD321T! :lol1: |
Originally Posted by joz8968
(Post 9376577)
Yeah, I'd defo stick to std pos tubs. Also, because the S206 can flow 500+ bhp, then perhaps it might be just that bit laggier than the other two.
Maybe.
Originally Posted by joz8968
(Post 9376608)
graham, see posts #324 and #325!!! :-
https://www.scoobynet.com/752989-typ...achine-11.html I think you'll be chomping after a MD321T! :lol1: |
MAP sensor will cope with the 450 level
MAF sensor will also cope with that power level if you fit a larger diameter MAf housing as the std maf housing causes the maf to max its voltage at around 420-430 bhp. MD321T is proven time and again to make the power but is also responsive and it is this responsiveness that makes the T equipped cars ultimately quicker through the rev range. |
For my road car, the thinking was ( 2008 ) that I would use the smallest turbo to get me close to 400bhp.
For a track toy the MD321T is going to give greater figures, but at the expense of a wee bit more lag, IMHO. Obviously the newer turbos MAY be even better, but don't fit a 500 bhp capable turbo if you only expect to "need" 450 bhp. HTH dunx P.S. 450 bhp is around the maximum these engines can handle without up-rated internals. |
Originally Posted by dynamix
(Post 9376664)
MAP sensor will cope with the 450 level
MAF sensor will also cope with that power level if you fit a larger diameter MAf housing as the std maf housing causes the maf to max its voltage at around 420-430 bhp. MD321T is proven time and again to make the power but is also responsive and it is this responsiveness that makes the T equipped cars ultimately quicker through the rev range.
Originally Posted by dunx
(Post 9376668)
For my road car, the thinking was ( 2008 ) that I would use the smallest turbo to get me close to 400bhp.
For a track toy the MD321T is going to give greater figures, but at the expense of a wee bit more lag, IMHO. Obviously the newer turbos MAY be even better, but don't fit a 500 bhp capable turbo if you only expect to "need" 450 bhp. HTH dunx P.S. 450 bhp is around the maximum these engines can handle without up-rated internals. 430-450 is more than enough for me............ for now :D I think its a decent number to start with. |
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