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Scirocco R trounces the Focus RS
Surprised - yep me too.
Not as powerful but less torque steer, just as fast in the real world and a nicer place to be inside but dont take my word for it...... Autocar Videos - Autocar.co.uk |
Uh oh...
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Evo wrote some thing very simlair as both cars made it into Evo car of the year.
Richard |
But 300bhp fwd hatches dont torque steer surely. A 350 bhp golf is quicker than a new M3.
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Originally Posted by Jimpreza
(Post 9047176)
But 300bhp fed hatches dont torque steer surely. A 350 bhp golf is quicker than a new M3.
I wouldn't say the Scirroco trounces the RS - it just wins by a small margin. TBH I think some journos get bored of new stuff very quickly and like to praise the next new thing. Having said that, I'd get the VW over the Ford. It also handily weighs a lot less. |
Originally Posted by Jimpreza
(Post 9047176)
But 300bhp fed hatches dont torque steer surely. A 350 bhp golf is quicker than a new M3.
People are finally learning :luxhello: At 300hp the cupra didnt torque steer. No one belived me so I made videos of it and showed people. Not at 360 hp there is some torque steer, but there are some chassis mods that will combat that. |
Originally Posted by PovK1
(Post 9047180)
People are finally learning :luxhello:
At 300hp the cupra didnt torque steer. No one belived me so I made videos of it and showed people. Not at 360 hp there is some torque steer, but there are some chassis mods that will combat that. |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9047179)
I wouldn't say the Scirroco trounces the RS |
Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9047179)
:lol1::lol1::lol1:
I wouldn't say the Scirroco trounces the RS - it just wins by a small margin. TBH I think some journos get bored of new stuff very quickly and like to praise the next new thing. Having said that, I'd get the VW over the Ford. It also handily weighs a lot less. |
at last everyone's pulled their head out of fords arses you can all see clearly.
**** driving position Crap interior quality Look like it's come straight out of a max power magazine lol :cry: |
Originally Posted by Jimpreza
(Post 9047186)
So your telling me in a 300bhp Cupra flooring it through 1st and 2nd leads to no torque steer at all.
Before buying my cupra, I read 3 log term reviews of the cupra, and all of them commented on how the cupra didnt suffer from torque steer, unlike its vxr etc counterparts. I can post those links if anyones interested. |
Wow - a post with no daft claims and some useful information - amazing!
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9047255)
Wow - a post with no daft claims and some useful information - amazing!
your one to talk. Shouldnt you be picking up the next body to deliver to the morgue? |
Originally Posted by rsarjantson
(Post 9047175)
Evo wrote some thing very simlair as both cars made it into Evo car of the year.
Richard |
the road he is driving on is only 5 miles from where i live :norty:
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Originally Posted by PovK1
(Post 9047262)
your one to talk. Shouldnt you be picking up the next body to deliver to the morgue?
And you can talk - a white spoilered up hatch pretending it's a touring car. Oh dear. |
Originally Posted by PovK1
(Post 9047180)
People are finally learning :luxhello:
At 300hp the cupra didnt torque steer. No one belived me so I made videos of it and showed people. Not at 360 hp there is some torque steer, but there are some chassis mods that will combat that. |
Originally Posted by PovK1
(Post 9047243)
cant say that I floor it in 1st as you will just end up with wheel hop and the esp flasshing, or with esp off just lighting the fronts up. But when I was running 300hp in 2nd, no I wasnt getting torque steer.
Before buying my cupra, I read 3 log term reviews of the cupra, and all of them commented on how the cupra didnt suffer from torque steer, unlike its vxr etc counterparts. I can post those links if anyones interested. so the short version is, it copes with torque steer by dumping the power? y o y do people with FWD cars claim they have x amount of useable power and don't get wheel spin, when its pretty blatent and they admit that the electrics of the car drop the power for them? |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 9047286)
hang on a minute, isn't that the whole point being made? you can't use that amount of power?
so the short version is, it copes with torque steer by dumping the power? y o y do people with FWD cars claim they have x amount of useable power and don't get wheel spin, when its pretty blatent and they admit that the electrics of the car drop the power for them? |
Countless cars have over 360bhp and are RWD. They handle it fine.
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
(Post 9047306)
Countless cars have over 360bhp and are RWD. They handle it fine.
if wheelspin in 1st and second in a rwd car is seen to be as handling it fine then going by that statement my cupra can handle 260hp in 1st and second fine too :lol1: |
wasn;t talking about rwd, which does perform better than fwd. what i was going on about was your claim about torque steer, you can;t even use the power to find out if your car does or not.
by 3rd gear most cars are beyond the torque steer point anyway, i bet if you had it on a runway and tried it by not steering you'd find it does do it. and thats assuming bone dry and not greasy |
Torque steer is a pain for drag starts but it's understeer that's gets my goat in FWD crd with oomph.
ZR1 vs GT2 - both RWD and only the tiniest amount of spin as they launch. Both packing serious power. YouTube - Porsche 911 GT2 v Corvette ZR1 - autocar.co.uk |
Originally Posted by PovK1
(Post 9047262)
your one to talk. Shouldnt you be picking up the next body to deliver to the morgue?
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I don't think "trounces" is the correct word to use reading that report, I do like the Scirocco though. :)
As for torque steer, some cars seem to have it and some don't. My Focus is quicker than an RS and doesn't have any and I'm quite happy to demonstrate that to the haters on here so they can report back to the followers. :) |
I'm running Dreamsceince and Toyo Proxes on my Focus ST and on damp b road early Sunday morning it had torque steer from a rolling start and the ESP was flashing even in 3rd. My previous STI running approx 300 bhp wouldn't have any issue with that road at all. Is my Focus a duff, I think not, high powered fwd cars torque steer that's a fact, I don't care how good the chassis is.
Geesta :thumb: |
Get behind the scirroco & its not a pretty sight.:eek:
Was behind the sport model other week,obviously driver thought he had a quick car as he tried to outrun the RB320.Needless to say he never got very far,what are power figures for theese? |
Originally Posted by Jimpreza
(Post 9047191)
Me too. I must be one of a handful that doesn't like the new RS at all.
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Originally Posted by geesta
(Post 9048284)
I'm running Dreamsceince and Toyo Proxes on my Focus ST and on damp b road early Sunday morning it had torque steer from a rolling start and the ESP was flashing even in 3rd. My previous STI running approx 300 bhp wouldn't have any issue with that road at all. Is my Focus a duff, I think not, high powered fwd cars torque steer that's a fact, I don't care how good the chassis is.
Geesta :thumb: But then again you arent helping your cause with those rubbish toyo proxes. |
Originally Posted by geesta
(Post 9048284)
I'm running Dreamsceince and Toyo Proxes on my Focus ST and on damp b road early Sunday morning it had torque steer from a rolling start and the ESP was flashing even in 3rd. My previous STI running approx 300 bhp wouldn't have any issue with that road at all. Is my Focus a duff, I think not, high powered fwd cars torque steer that's a fact, I don't care how good the chassis is.
Geesta :thumb: It will spin the wheels from a standing start when wet, but other than that it's fine. |
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