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upiker2005 27 April 2009 10:54 PM

WRX vs STi
 
Hi, forgive me my tresspass by steaming straight in with a question but I'm new to the Subarus and I'm on the freshold of buying one in the next day or so. I previously owned an Audi TT (mapped) that was a very nice drive but fancy the change so I'm currently in the market. I've been pleasantly surprised at the relatively low cost af the Imprezas and particularly like the Wagons so that's the way I'm heading. The cars I'm looking at are 97 (WRX),98 and 99 STi imports and all seemingly have low miles (the WRX with proof). Anyways, bottom line is am I gona regret not going straight in on the STi if I get the WRX, by which I mean is there a particularly noticeable power difference?
The 97 WRX is incidentally immaculate and all are priced between 5 and 6 K.
Once again sorry for my first post being a question but any advice would be well received.

Dave.

Boyakasha 28 April 2009 07:56 AM

97 WRX for 5-6k is way too much.

If you're looking for out and out performance you will want an RA, otherwise stick with either a WRX STi Type R or the WRX STi.

For £5k you can also get an 02/03 Newage WRX or £6-7k will get you a 02/03 WRX STi

upiker2005 28 April 2009 08:32 AM

Many thanks for reply. Maybe I'll take a little longer over looking?

(Thanks again face)

[-(o)-] 28 April 2009 08:57 AM

My 99 (v5) STi Wagon cost £5k a year and a half ago, so as above £5-6k is way too much. Go with STi as the cost isn't much more and you get the extras that you'll otherwise end up buying anyway.

Most important thing with these cars is service history: has it had a decent rebuild or has it been serviced properly. If the answer to both of these is no then walk away. Mine has just passed 100k on the original engine which is down to regular maintenance and implied sympathetic owners.

donmojo 28 April 2009 10:48 AM

For a little more go for the sti, noticeable difference!! As the guys have said 5-6k you maybe able to get a bugeye if you like!!!!!!!

cobraman 28 April 2009 11:16 AM

I'm in the same boat really although I am after a 4-door and not the estate/hatchback.

I was initially after a WRX Prodrive but now everyone I have spoken to on this forum (well, not spoken to but you know what I mean) say put a little extra money on the table and get an STi because I will regret not buying it and it will always be in the back of my head.

Now the problem lies where I only want a blobeye and not the bugeye (although having seen some bugeyes they are slightly growing on me). My budget is around £7500 (max) so I cannot really afford a blobeye STi. Should I just save a few more pennies and wait a while longer for an STi or should I just plump for a WRX Prodrive? Decisions, decisions, decisions.:wonder:

upiker2005 28 April 2009 06:17 PM

Thanks for the replies people. The Bug Eye is a no no for me as I've always liked the previous shape upto V5. Looked at a rough one today for 3850 but it was very rough. Keep being drawn back to the immaculate Black 97 WRX but god it's over priced, though it does have full history and only 46K miles, from a dealer. Might look at the 2 STi's tom. I'm a bit stuck for a car and liable to buy quickly me thinks.

(Thanks again face)

bluenosewrx 28 April 2009 10:12 PM

nice looking car this for cobraman:

hillingdon motor company : SUBARU IMPREZA 2.0 WRX STI TYPE UK 4DR 6 SPD 260 BHP STANDARD CAR

Mac

Donz144 28 April 2009 11:35 PM

Don't forget with a wrx PPP you get some refinement (less crashy suspension and some sound proofing) and all the power through a 5 speed box so torque is more available through the gears. Just my noticed differences that I felt were important when I was deciding!

upiker2005 29 April 2009 12:18 AM

More replies! Thanks people. I've been looking on Piston heads, Auto Trader, Exchange and mart and Flea bay. can any of you recommend other sites pleaae?

(You've been more than helpful face)

cobraman 29 April 2009 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by bluenosewrx (Post 8671131)

Yes - I've noticed this one as well. In the window, its original price was £9995 and now it is £7995 so I wonder why they have dropped £2000 in price?

I am going to email them tonight to ask what they would offer on my Civic Type-R and I'll take it from there. Looks like a nice example from the pics/description.

upiker2005 29 April 2009 11:36 AM

Just a quickie please? The 97 Import WRX Wagon - what is the approx BHP please? I understand the STi to be 280 but having difficulty understanding the info I find on the WRX?

Auto Trader UK - SUBARU Impreza Turbo 2000 4WD=

Actually here's the link. Help please I'm in danger of spending money!

(Tis pretty face)

myblackwrx 29 April 2009 11:45 AM

240ps iirc

But that says it's a Turbo 2000 which is a UK spec car so 208bhp yet on their website it does say WRX:confused:

If you put up links like that maybe worth hiding your postcode ;)

upiker2005 29 April 2009 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by myblackwrx (Post 8671868)
240ps iirc

But that says it's a Turbo 2000 which is a UK spec car so 208bhp yet on their website it does say WRX:confused:

If you put up links like that maybe worth hiding your postcode ;)

Thanks (Postcode tip also). Yep, the ad's kinda conflict don't they.

(Best I did deeper and or wait face)

myblackwrx 29 April 2009 01:05 PM

Actually paying more attention to the piccies i would guess it's an import as it seems to have a seperate foglight by the number plate

tbh if you're not bothered about whether it's an import or not it does look very nice

Allan 29 April 2009 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by cobraman (Post 8669422)
I'm in the same boat really although I am after a 4-door and not the estate/hatchback.

I was initially after a WRX Prodrive but now everyone I have spoken to on this forum (well, not spoken to but you know what I mean) say put a little extra money on the table and get an STi because I will regret not buying it and it will always be in the back of my head.

Now the problem lies where I only want a blobeye and not the bugeye (although having seen some bugeyes they are slightly growing on me). My budget is around £7500 (max) so I cannot really afford a blobeye STi. Should I just save a few more pennies and wait a while longer for an STi or should I just plump for a WRX Prodrive? Decisions, decisions, decisions.:wonder:

If your not bothered about owing an Sti over a WRX (I wouldn't be), then why don’t you buy on condition. I would rather own a low mileage, mint condition, well cared for WRX PPP than a thrashed and tatty Sti anyday.

Don't get caught up in all the hype on here, I don't regret buying my WRX and know others haven't also.

cobraman 29 April 2009 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Allan (Post 8672089)
If your not bothered about owing an Sti over a WRX (I wouldn't be), then why don’t you buy on condition. I would rather own a low mileage, mint condition, well cared for WRX PPP than a thrashed and tatty Sti anyday.

Don't get caught up in all the hype on here, I don't regret buying my WRX and know others haven't also.

Good point Allan and something someone else has pointed out to me as well.

I could get an absolute mint condition WRX PPP with my budget and I did really enjoy the power in a standard WRX I test drove a few months ago - quite a bit faster than my CTR and a damn lot more comfortable. I can only imagine a PPP WRX is going to be like a rocket ship plus it still pumps out the same power as an STi although with poorer breaks/suspension (but how poorer are the brakes/suspension and will I really notice it as an everyday driver)?

I do feel I am getting caught up in all the STi hype but then another part of me says it makes sense getting the better car rather than wondering 'what if' - plus the blue interior looks lovely and it has 6 gears.

I am really undecided on what to get to be honest. An STi really appeals although the WRX PPP seems to be the better bet as an everyday car - plus I would be getting a very good WRX PPP for my pennies.

Henrik 29 April 2009 01:54 PM

IMO, as a WRX owner, get the STI as it's got a stronger gearbox, the brakes are better etc.

Upgrading those parts to the STI spec will cost far more than the difference.

upiker2005 29 April 2009 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by myblackwrx (Post 8672066)
Actually paying more attention to the piccies i would guess it's an import as it seems to have a seperate foglight by the number plate

tbh if you're not bothered about whether it's an import or not it does look very nice

Deffo Import, I've seen the history folder etc. I've elected to go get this one (at 4.30 this eve) and if and when I want more from the car I can always trade up eh?

Many thanks all for your time and advice.

I'll be an active member of this forum and who knows may even be able to offer my own 2pennuth worth from time to time?

(mildly excited face)

hodgy0_2 29 April 2009 02:54 PM

pre facelift the interiors are a bit pants imo

and thats what you see 100% of the time you drive it

upiker2005 29 April 2009 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 8672280)
pre facelift the interiors are a bit pants imo

and thats what you see 100% of the time you drive it

Oooo you little ray of sunshine! lol

You have a point ofcourse as I'm used to the beautiful interior of my Ex Audi TT but what the hell it's done now.

(I'll live face)

bish667 29 April 2009 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 8672280)
pre facelift the interiors are a bit pants imo

and thats what you see 100% of the time you drive it

Its only pants if you have something better to compare it to.
Ignorance is bliss :lol:

hodgy0_2 29 April 2009 03:38 PM

i think its quite important

when I was looking for an impreza last year I sat in a few, and some were low mileage/low previous owners etc etc -- but the interiors looked liked they had had a really really hard life, broken plastic bits, dirty stained seats etc etc

and I thought mmmm not a nice place to be, and although I was only paying 2.5k it seemed a lot to sit in a sh1thole

so i probably place quite a high emphasis on the interior, in the end I bought one with a very clean leather interior, and when cleaned etc looks like new

(also to me a sorted interior is the sign of a well looked after car)

bish667 29 April 2009 03:45 PM

The interior condition of the classics i've owned have been very good condition so had no problems with them.
I thought maybe you meant they looked horrible in general. :thumb:

hodgy0_2 29 April 2009 04:05 PM

well I dont think anyone would by an impreza for the interior alone

the facelift classic interior looks 10X better than the pre facelift one

but then I am in my 40,s so a bit of an Old Git I suppose, LOL

upiker2005 29 April 2009 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 8672415)
well I dont think anyone would by an impreza for the interior alone

the facelift classic interior looks 10X better than the pre facelift one

but then I am in my 40,s so a bit of an Old Git I suppose, LOL

You could be considered a baby, I'm 44. lol

(Or could you face)

Allan 29 April 2009 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by cobraman (Post 8672156)
Good point Allan and something someone else has pointed out to me as well.

I could get an absolute mint condition WRX PPP with my budget and I did really enjoy the power in a standard WRX I test drove a few months ago - quite a bit faster than my CTR and a damn lot more comfortable. I can only imagine a PPP WRX is going to be like a rocket ship plus it still pumps out the same power as an STi although with poorer breaks/suspension (but how poorer are the brakes/suspension and will I really notice it as an everyday driver)?

I do feel I am getting caught up in all the STi hype but then another part of me says it makes sense getting the better car rather than wondering 'what if' - plus the blue interior looks lovely and it has 6 gears.

I am really undecided on what to get to be honest. An STi really appeals although the WRX PPP seems to be the better bet as an everyday car - plus I would be getting a very good WRX PPP for my pennies.

I'm not going to tell you the WRX PPP is a better car, it's just a bit softer all round. However you have to ask yourself do you really need the 6 gears, better suspension and so on. I've owned mine for 5 years and still look forward to getting into it. The standard response on here is "Yeh get the Sti every time", just trying to give you an alternative view.

My WRX PPP has been cheaper to run than my Wife's old MX5 which is saying something.

Anyway none of this is Helping Dave much :)

wrxmad 29 April 2009 09:36 PM

wrx vs sti
 
i had a classic wrx import my first scoob...loved every minute driving it. now i traded that in for a 04 sti blobeye ...never looked back since...sti all the way.
easily mapped to 340bhp with a decat and panel filter. been laughing ever since:luvlove: tbh mate im glad i bought it and not a newage wrx ..both great cars though:thumb: hope this helps u ..:D

Chumley 29 April 2009 11:39 PM

Evening all, this is my first post on here so apologies for jumping straight in with an opinion!
We've just bought an 05 WRX PPP which we felt suited us more than an STI. I love the PPP for having what's effectively STI performance in a slightly more subtle form. I'm not knocking STIs, far from it as they're brilliant. It's just important to identify what's right for you and then have the conviction to wait for the right car I think. Either way, have fun!

skid11 30 April 2009 12:08 AM

I am yet to meet anyone who buys a scooby for the interior.Its like the mpg if you want that there are more suitable cars.
Buy on condition/owner for a classic or any of the others. The imports are quicker ,higher spec generally .
Lots about so have a look.I went for an early import wrx wagon but its your budget and choice


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