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warrenm2 09 June 2008 11:22 PM

Idealism gone grotesquely wrong
 
It's one thing to be a lentil muching, hemp sandal wearing health fascist, but this is something else

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4087734.ece

I simply cannot express my contempt for these people in written form. YOUR IDEALISM IS F****** UP OTHER PEOPLES LIVES!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

GC8 09 June 2008 11:31 PM

Bogus link.

Lisawrx 09 June 2008 11:31 PM

Might just be me, but the link doesn't work.

Lisawrx 09 June 2008 11:33 PM

Saying that, I've tried just going onto the times myself, and it gives the same error. I am computer illiterate, but there may be a problem with the site. :confused:

warrenm2 09 June 2008 11:33 PM

the times has just gone t!ts up - link was good

GC8 09 June 2008 11:34 PM

:thumb:

warrenm2 09 June 2008 11:38 PM

same story in the torygraph

Couple face questioning after vegan daughter suffers bone disease - Telegraph

what would scooby do 09 June 2008 11:51 PM

Makes sense since the leap in brain power needed animal protiens and fat. One reason we evolved from multi stomached herbivores was bigger brains versus bigger guts. Plebs like those are bucking natural evolution :mad:

cster 10 June 2008 08:15 AM

Twats !
Why can't they feed her Burgers and other deepfried sh!te like normal people:norty:

Scoobychick 10 June 2008 08:21 AM

I've been a veggie all my life and I'm completely normal :thumb: :D

PeteBrant 10 June 2008 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Scoobychick (Post 7931413)
I've been a veggie all my life and I'm completely normal :thumb: :D

If slightly obsessive when it comes to Grand Prix


:D

Scoobychick 10 June 2008 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by PeteBrant (Post 7931433)
If slightly obsessive when it comes to Grand Prix


:D

I think the word you are looking for is 'nerdy' :lol1:

PeteBrant 10 June 2008 08:43 AM

That'll be the Brocolli

The Zohan 10 June 2008 09:03 AM

From The Sunday TimesJune 8, 2008

Parents of ill vegan girl may face policeMark Macaskill
A 12-YEAR-OLD girl in Scotland brought up by her parents on a strict vegan diet has been admitted to hospital with a degenerative bone condition said to have left her with the spine of an 80-year-old woman.

Doctors are under pressure to report the couple to police and social workers amid concerns that her health and welfare may have been neglected in pursuit of their dietary beliefs.

The girl, who has been fed on a strict meat and dairy-free diet from birth, is said to have a severe form of rickets and to have suffered a number of fractured bones.

The condition is caused by a lack of vitamin D, which is needed to absorb calcium and is found in liver, oily fish and dairy produce. Decalcification leads to the bones becoming brittle and can cause curvature of the spine.

Dr Faisal Ahmed, the consultant paediatrician treating the child at the Royal Hospital for Sick Children in Glasgow, declined to discuss the specific case. He said, however, that he believed the dangers of forcing children to follow a strict vegan diet needed to be highlighted.

One leading nutritionist, who asked not to be named, said: “In most instances, the parents who are imposing this very restrictive and potentially hazardous diet are not themselves brought up as vegans. They are imposing on their children something . . . which we do not know enough about to know it is safe.”

Jonathan Sher, head of policy at Children in Scotland, an umbrella group representing 400 organisations, said social workers should intervene where a vegan diet was putting children’s health at risk.

Last year, an American vegan couple were given a life sentence for starving their six-week-old baby to death. In 2001 two vegans from west London were sentenced to three years’ community rehabilitation after they admitted starving their baby to death.

Glasgow city council said the incident involving the 12-year-old girl had not been referred to its social work department

stilover 10 June 2008 09:59 AM

We are meat eaters. Man would not be what they are today if we didn't eat meat.

We'd still be swinging from the tree's

People say it's cruel to eat meat. But most creature's on the planet eat one another. Why are we supposed to be different?

Dieseldog 10 June 2008 10:35 AM

I want to see those who fed their kids meat who subsequently ended up with CJD jailed.

The Zohan 10 June 2008 11:18 AM

Whatever the parents feel or believe the health, safety and well being of the child must always be the priority and comes first.

Not saying a Vegan diet is wrong but it maybe not right for that child for all sortsw of reasons.

It is a sad story and the child is the one suffering and likely to for the rest of her life, no parent - in their right mind would wish that.

The Zohan 10 June 2008 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Dieseldog (Post 7931638)
I want to see those who fed their kids meat who subsequently ended up with CJD jailed.

I would rather se the politicians, civil servants and farmers (who fed their cows dead animals) jailed, not the parents, the parents belived that they where feeding thier families good safe meat!


My other half is vegitarian, not vegan. We feed our kids a healthy and balanced diet including meatalong with their 5+ a day and will let them make an informed choice when they get older.

mrtheedge2u2 10 June 2008 11:38 AM

Nice, rational quote there Dieseldog.......

Jaybird-UK 10 June 2008 11:57 AM

At least the BBQ season weeds out the veggies from the rest of us!

pimmo2000 10 June 2008 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Scoobychick (Post 7931413)
I've been a veggie all my life and I'm completely normal :thumb: :D


Different to Vegan though ... :Suspiciou

J4CKO 10 June 2008 12:21 PM

I can understand Veggies, I didnt eat meat for a couple of years myself then really fancied a Burger, I cant understand Vegans and Fruitarians, its all so pointless, us using dairy products is part of a natrual symbiotic relationship that has existed for thousands of years and can be done without cruelty.

I think sometimes Veganism smacks of a bit of "Look at me" and hints at some deep self worth issues, Sometimes it seems that people want to not exist through making as little impact on the planet and other beings, becasue us humans are so destructive and not worthy of existing on this planet, they put Cows and Sheep above people, sorry, we exist, we a re succesful predator, get over it, we arent going to go away and we can live frugally, eat meat and not be so destructive, we evolved so stop apologizing for our existence, same goes for the green movement, we cant all live in dung huts and weave baskets to sell to tourists.

As for making the kids ill, ffs, get a grip, kids need carbs, fat, fibre, iron, calcium and vitamins and god knows what, they thrive on crap compared to carrot sticks and rasins, a balance needs to be struck, I personally want to strike parents who stop teir kids having chocolate and produce a bag of Raisins and say "Tarquin doesnt eat chocolate, he loves his Alfalfa sprouts", the evil b4stards, it doesnt work, they get old enough and rebel, a relative of our went all organic and fed their little lad like that, he was under sized and educationally sub normal by some way, he hs since done well at uni but it was no thanks to his daft mum

darts_aint_sport 10 June 2008 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by J4CKO (Post 7931815)
I can understand Veggies, I didnt eat meat for a couple of years myself then really fancied a Burger, I cant understand Vegans and Fruitarians, its all so pointless, us using dairy products is part of a natrual symbiotic relationship that has existed for thousands of years and can be done without cruelty.

Actually, I had a Vegan explain it to me and it makes a lot more sense than Vegetarianism.

The reason most people give for being Vegetarian is that they don't wish animals to be killed just so they can eat, there's plenty of other food out there so no animals need slaughter. However, they will happily eat dairy, which comes from exploitation of animals, eggs, gelatin, etc. Seems a bit hypocritical to me for Veggies to let animals get exploited (and eventually killed because they've outlived their use) but draw the line at killing animals to eat them.

unclebuck 10 June 2008 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by warrenm2 (Post 7931206)
I simply cannot express my contempt for these people in written form.

In that case you need to watch this:

YouTube - Jonathan Meades J'accuse Vegetarians 1 of 3

YouTube - Jonathan Meades J'accuse Vegetarians 2 of 3

YouTube - Jonathan Meades J'accuse Vegetarians 3 of 3

:) :) :)

cster 10 June 2008 03:18 PM

Does anyone know if the degenerative condition has anything to do with the Vegan diet?

DCI Gene Hunt 10 June 2008 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Scoobychick (Post 7931443)
I think the word you are looking for is 'nerdy' :lol1:

Not the word I'm thinking :D

warrenm2 10 June 2008 04:20 PM

I haven't watched it yet, but please God, let it involve a large stick and a good workout...

Scoobychick 10 June 2008 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt (Post 7932159)
Not the word I'm thinking :D

Is it 'ravishing'? :thumb: :D

unclebuck 10 June 2008 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by warrenm2 (Post 7932268)
I haven't watched it yet, but please God, let it involve a large stick and a good workout...

Certainly does - in the verbal sense. ;)

ScoobyWon't 10 June 2008 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Scoobychick (Post 7932392)
Is it 'ravishing'? :thumb: :D

That's not the first one that sprang into my mind :p


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