Brown....Absolute hipacrite
Brown calls for pressure on OPEC on oil price - Yahoo! News UK
Is he now desperate! What the fcuk, calling on the oil companys to bring the cost of fuel down. How about cut 20p worth of tax off of it :mad: I'm affraid Brown that your days are numbered, pointless trying to throw in sweetners now |
Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT
(Post 7851636)
Brown calls for pressure on OPEC on oil price - Yahoo! News UK
Is he now desperate! What the fcuk, calling on the oil companys to bring the cost of fuel down. How about cut 20p worth of tax off of it :mad: I'm affraid Brown that your days are numbered, pointless trying to throw in sweetners now Yes he has benefited from the additional VAT revenues, but the majority of the recent price rises are from the oil companies. It's not like the rest of the world hasn't seen a rise too. No fan of Brown, but you can't lay the blame for everything at his door. Oh and it's hypocrite btw ;) |
The thing is,that when oil prices have dropped in the past.fuel in this country has still Remained the same price,or has still gone up in price..they could drop the price in fuel anyway..it's just about Robbing every penny out of us as usual..
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So when the government put 2p on a litre (yearly or more) what is the excuse then? is it the oil company pleading for a rise........ I think not
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this country is on its 4rse, fuel tax,car tax,stamp duty, home packs, congestion charges, co2 charges and the list goes on and on ..and the only answer is to let the immigrants in so we can have cheap strawberrys and cheap plucked chickens but overloaded schools and the nhs as a consequence which will have to be funded by???? back to the top of this message.incompetent fools its about time the ordinary man in the street had a go at running this country instead of these idiots who have been living in Lar lar land
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 7851656)
But fuel duty is a fixed amount, not a percentage. The cost of fuel has risen because of demand and the fuel companies raising their prices accordingly (or more than accordingly probably given their profits).
Yes he has benefited from the additional VAT revenues, but the majority of the recent price rises are from the oil companies. It's not like the rest of the world hasn't seen a rise too. No fan of Brown, but you can't lay the blame for everything at his door. Oh and it's hypocrite btw ;) Oh and thanks for the spelling lesson ;) |
Troulbe is, if you drop 20p from the fuel duty - How do you replace the lost tax revenue? It's got to come from somewhere.
Why should people that don't drive, pay for us to have cheaper fuel? |
why should it have to be replaced? if the country survived last year on x amount then why can't it survive this year on the same, how many of us didn't have a payrise this year so that means we have to survive a year on last year moneys so if we can do it then so can the country.
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Originally Posted by mal_howarth
(Post 7851686)
So when the government put 2p on a litre (yearly or more) what is the excuse then? is it the oil company pleading for a rise........ I think not
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Maybe the higher amount of tax I am now paying, along with many others due to the 10p tax abolition may help claw back funds.
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy
(Post 7851734)
why should it have to be replaced? if the country survived last year on x amount then why can't it survive this year on the same, how many of us didn't have a payrise this year so that means we have to survive a year on last year moneys so if we can do it then so can the country.
We have a budget defecit of £43billion. If you reduce the fuel duty by 20p, then that deficit will rise substantially. The only revenue that gets affected by fuel costs is , of course, VAT - which as a percentage will rise and fall according to the overall cost. So once the price of oil falls (which it will at some point) then the VAT revenue is reduced. |
So let me get this right.
50p a litre is tax say £1.10 a litre total with 16.3p vat So on a litre of fuel the tax man gets 63.3p a litre of the £1.10 cost |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7851717)
Troulbe is, if you drop 20p from the fuel duty - How do you replace the lost tax revenue? It's got to come from somewhere.
Why should people that don't drive, pay for us to have cheaper fuel? because the cash is not spent on the road network, that much is a safe bet :lol1: |
Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT
(Post 7851767)
So let me get this right.
50p a litre is tax say £1.10 a litre total with 16.3p vat So on a litre of fuel the tax man gets 63.3p a litre of the £1.10 cost You could *possibly* argue for a sliding scale on the VAT, so that say the tax man needs to take a minimum of , say, 58p you adjust the VAT percentage accordingly. But it would be a legislative nightmare. You would have all sorts of companies and industries wnating the same treatment. As a general rule, where the sale is from Business to consumer, then you have to charge VAT (there are some exceptions that are zero rated - Food, childrens clothes etc) |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7851785)
That's about right.
You could *possibly* argue for a sliding scale on the VAT, so that say the tax man needs to take a minimum of , say, 58p you adjust the VAT percentage accordingly. But it would be a legislative nightmare. You would have all sorts of companies and industries wnating the same treatment. As a general rule, where the sale is from Business to consumer, then you have to charge VAT (there are some exceptions that are zero rated - Food, childrens clothes etc) |
Originally Posted by StickyMicky
(Post 7851779)
because people that drive, are paying for people who dont drive, to have shopping centers and hospitals ??:lol1:
because the cash is not spent on the road network, that much is a safe bet :lol1: In other words, the money has to come from somewhere, you will have to pay it whether it is on your fuel or on your income. |
Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT
(Post 7851792)
I'm not too bothered by VAT, they can charge what they want because i don't pay it ;)
So if you want the price of fuel to come down, then you should be starting threads on getting the oil companies to reduce thier "cut" form the forecourt, not the government. ;) This will represent a real drop in cost to you - If the government drops the fuel duty, it would claw it back from some other portion of your income. |
Goodbye Red Ken. Goodbye Labour!
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7851717)
Troulbe is, if you drop 20p from the fuel duty - How do you replace the lost tax revenue? It's got to come from somewhere.
Why should people that don't drive, pay for us to have cheaper fuel? Get rid of the vast and useless bureaucracy which is costing us billions and is doing nothing good for this country. The taxes being wasted by this grossly incompetent government is absolutely shameful. Thousands and thousands of advisors who are obviously unable to do the job. Too many sinecures which are crippling us for their convenience. Money being thrown at useless and undeserving organisations. This gross overtaxing that is going on just does not have to happen. We are slaves to their dogma which is a failure in just about every respect. Les |
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 7851805)
I keep telling you how Pete, and you never have an answer to what I say. It is so simple.
Get rid of the vast and useless bureaucracy which is costing us billions and is doing nothing good for this country. The taxes being wasted by this grossly incompetent government is absolutely shameful. Thousands and thousands of advisors who are obviously unable to do the job. Too many sinecures which are crippling us for their convenience. Money being thrown at useless and undeserving organisations. This gross overtaxing that is going on just do not have to happen. We are slaves to their dogma which is a failure in just about every respect. Les |
Its all correlated, and it all goes into one big pocket. The problem is that the pocket has huge holes in it which are NHS and Benefits and not to say the war in Iraq which is costing billions.
The England is too small to rely on its industries taxes and there are practically no natural resources so everything has to be imported. It is simply like having a mortgage that you cannot cover with your monthly payments, thats why the deficit keeps raising, an the government is coming up with even more sillier ways how to take money from its citizens. Its Ship Money all over again... |
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 7851805)
I keep telling you how Pete, and you never have an answer to what I say. It is so simple.
Get rid of the vast and useless bureaucracy which is costing us billions and is doing nothing good for this country. We know, for a fact, that the TOries ar ecommited to Labours spending plans and absolutely will not drop taxes in thier first term. Therefore this red top favourite saying of "wated billions" is just that, paper talk - We do not know whether it is a significant problem or not. It is all supposition. If there was a way to signifcantly reduce tax, without reducing services do you not think that Labour would do it?
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 7851805)
The taxes being wasted by this grossly incompetent government is absolutely shameful. Thousands a thousands of advisors who are obviously unable to do the job. Too many sinecures which are crippling us for their convenience. Money being thrown at useless and undeserving organisations.
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 7851805)
This gross overtaxing that is going on just do not have to happen. We are slaves to their dogma which is a failure in just about every respect.
Les There's your answer :) |
Originally Posted by serega
(Post 7851809)
Its all correlated, and it all goes into one big pocket. The problem is that the pocket has huge holes in it which are NHS and Benefits and not to say the war in Iraq which is costing billions.
The England is too small to rely on its industries taxes and there are practically no natural resources so everything has to be imported. It is simply like having a mortgage that you cannot cover with your monthly payments, thats why the deficit keeps raising, an the government is coming up with even more sillier ways how to take money from its citizens. Its Ship Money all over again... |
Originally Posted by Klaatu
(Post 7851807)
Well said!
dnc |
He should also be looking at VED with a view to cutting it big time instead of taxing the motorist off the road :mad: maybe base it on an annual mileage
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What annoyed me most about his interview was the very thought that he would intervene in the Housing Market!!!!!!! :eek:
JUST LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! It will find it's level at which 1st time buyers can start buying again ..... a 35% drop in values will help the youngsters far more than some shared ownership scheme!!!! |
But - he feels our pain.....
Yea right.... :lol1: But Mr Bean - you are the cause of our pain :cuckoo: :freak3: Andrew Marr was funny: "Prime Minister... how can I put this gently? You're a bit weird!" PMSL :lol1: |
Originally Posted by dnc
(Post 7852130)
I'll second that. And to Pete B, let's have the chance to find out if billions wasted on bureaucracy is 'paper talk' by getting proper business leaders in and doing a review of spending. Think you'll find it isn't just the red tops that come to this conclusion of waste. The only one that doesn't is the guardian. Now there's a surprise.
dnc Again, ask yourself this, what would be the simplest way for Labour to dig themselve sout of the current hole? By saying "look we are going to lower taxes and cut red tape". Why don't they do it? Because the savings don't exist. All parties, inclusing the Tories, recognise that you cannot have good public services and cut spending. It just doesn't work. Of course, that doesn't mean that the money can't be spent better - I am sure there ware ways of making the money work better, but it needs to spent either way. It;s a completely moot point regardless. Whoever gets in power will not be cutting fuel duty _ it simply is not going to happen. The only thing that will reduce forecourt costs is a reduction in the price of oil. Which, once confidence in the dollar picks up, should happen.
Originally Posted by pslewis
What annoyed me most about his interview was the very thought that he would intervene in the Housing Market!!!!!!!
JUST LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! It will find it's level at which 1st time buyers can start buying again ..... a 35% drop in values will help the youngsters far more than some shared ownership scheme!!!! |
Originally Posted by PeteBrant
(Post 7851812)
If there was a way to signifcantly reduce tax, without reducing services do you not think that Labour would do it?
who was it that had the millenium dome built which is still costing millions? simple of ways to cut tax/ expenditure - stop paying illegal immigrants to go home - just send them packing check people out who are on benefits, if they're fit to work stop paying them disability allowance - if they're claiming when they shouldn't be then prosecute them and stop their benefits and make them pay all the money back stop making prisons like holiday camps - take away tvs, playstations, give them basic food - this would cut costs |
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