Mclaren lose their appeal
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so predictable :lol1:
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So the fuel was 10degs cooler than it should have been but they cant prove it. PMSL. Soooo brushed under the carpet. They'll all be using cool fool next season.
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Daft question but why were Ferrari even sending a lawyer, Yes I know that if mclaren won then Kimi may not have remained champion but yet again ferrari have got involved in something that didnt involve them directly, it was between mclaren the FIA and Bmw/Williams.
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Originally Posted by scoobynewbie72
(Post 7416037)
Daft question but why were Ferrari even sending a lawyer, Yes I know that if mclaren won then Kimi may not have remained champion but yet again ferrari have got involved in something that didnt involve them directly, it was between mclaren the FIA and Bmw/Williams.
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cue cilla black...
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Originally Posted by richardg
(Post 7416048)
cue cilla black...
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Originally Posted by scoobynewbie72
(Post 7416037)
Daft question but why were Ferrari even sending a lawyer, Yes I know that if mclaren won then Kimi may not have remained champion but yet again ferrari have got involved in something that didnt involve them directly, it was between mclaren the FIA and Bmw/Williams.
Until yesterday McLaren were stating that they just wanted rule clarification rather than the drivers to be disqualified therefore handing the championship to Hamilton. That changed yesterday morning when McLaren's lawyer did an about turn and stated that was exactly what they wanted. At this point Ferrari's lawyer stepped in and made a counter statement. Hope this helps although somehow I doubt it ;) |
This whole season stank to high heaven. At least in previous years they have managed to brush most of the politics under the carpet. What is even worse is that it looks like it will continue into next season.
McLaren are being hounded by the FA about the design of the 2008 car. There is also another spy scandal brewing. Why we don't just buy a job lot of GP3 cars and let them all race essentially the same machinery so we can actually see who is the best driver. It is the competition we want, not this farce they feed us :( :mad: |
Originally Posted by Boro
(Post 7416017)
So the fuel was 10degs cooler than it should have been but they cant prove it. PMSL. Soooo brushed under the carpet. They'll all be using cool fool next season.
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Cant they bring back the old days of drivers smacking each other one down the pit lane, and have some real racing for a change
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Originally Posted by Luminous
(Post 7416081)
Why we don't just buy a job lot of GP3 cars and let them all race essentially the same machinery so we can actually see who is the best driver. It is the competition we want, not this farce they feed us :( :mad:
Interesting you state 'what we all want' when in actual fact I think the technical innovation side of the sport is fascinating and am very sad to see it being driven slowly but surely out of the sport. |
Technical innovation is great, but not when the cost is so high only one team can afford it. Car manufacturers have massive budgets, if they need to develop something that will make them money, then they generally do.
I still don't understand how this 10 year rule on engines will work. Its not as if all the teams are starting out at the same point. All that seems to mean is that the team with the best engine at the end of this season keeps that advantage for the next 10 years, hardly seems fair :confused: Common ECU should be good. I want to see the aids the drivers rely on being removed so we see their skill. No longer will all the cars just launch at the start, there will once again be the chance to see the pressure get to someone. I'm not sure 2008 will be great for the ECU, as I believe several teams were already using it this year. This means they have an advantage getting the best out of it. Most probably it will take a while for the other teams to catch up. |
Originally Posted by Luminous
(Post 7416108)
Technical innovation is great, but not when the cost is so high only one team can afford it. Car manufacturers have massive budgets, if they need to develop something that will make them money, then they generally do.
I still don't understand how this 10 year rule on engines will work. Its not as if all the teams are starting out at the same point. All that seems to mean is that the team with the best engine at the end of this season keeps that advantage for the next 10 years, hardly seems fair :confused: Common ECU should be good. I want to see the aids the drivers rely on being removed so we see their skill. No longer will all the cars just launch at the start, there will once again be the chance to see the pressure get to someone. I'm not sure 2008 will be great for the ECU, as I believe several teams were already using it this year. This means they have an advantage getting the best out of it. Most probably it will take a while for the other teams to catch up. As for the ECU I too read that some teams were using it this year, but I don't think that's right. The ECU will be far more basic than the bespoke versions on the current cars as it is only allowed to operate with a basic set of engine sensors and to a certain (lower) specification than the current ones hence I doubt anyone would have run one this year. Read Bob Bell's (Renault) comments about it as he says it is a definite step backward sand they have only just got it to work on their car. The biggest laugh is that it is made by ... McLaren. Wonder if the ones Ferrari get will be 'faulty' ;) :D |
Originally Posted by Sonic'
(Post 7416085)
Cant they bring back the old days of drivers smacking each other one down the pit lane, and have some real racing for a change
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Originally Posted by richie001
(Post 7416135)
I'm up for that and drivers with personality
*SPEAK UP, SMILE, YOU MISERABLE SOD!!* |
Originally Posted by Luminous
(Post 7416165)
all pile on Kimi :lol1:
*SPEAK UP, SMILE, YOU MISERABLE SOD!!* |
Can we not just get shut of the FIA? :Suspiciou
I'd love to see a race series with rules are along the rules of; here's the circuit, go this way round as fast as possible, try not to kill yourself / each other, away you go! :D |
Ill aak again, as not sure if the question got answered on another post
But does anyone know what happened to the Breakaway series tha was talked about a few years ago ? |
F1 is like a pantomime and a poor one at that, when they shout "He`s behind you" we all know whose behind him as the sport is that predictable.
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Originally Posted by Sonic'
(Post 7416297)
Ill aak again, as not sure if the question got answered on another post
But does anyone know what happened to the Breakaway series tha was talked about a few years ago ? |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 7416088)
I think the technical innovation side of the sport is fascinating and am very sad to see it being driven slowly but surely out of the sport.
mass dampers, adjustable floors, frozen fuel, team orders To be fair, McLaren want the same rules, but they don't have the FIA in their pocket, so they have to put up with other teams trying their hardest |
Originally Posted by fast bloke
(Post 7416426)
by Ferrari - There seems to be a rule stating - "Ferrari can have technical innovation, but no-one else can"
mass dampers, adjustable floors, frozen fuel, team orders To be fair, McLaren want the same rules, but they don't have the FIA in their pocket, so they have to put up with other teams trying their hardest Mass dampers - Renault innovation, banned following protest by... McLaren. Ferrari had to remove their version of the system as well. Adjustable floor - used by Ferrari for one race, McLaren asked for clarification, The FIA introduced a new test which would effectively deem it illegal, Ferrari removed it before the next race. Frozen fuel - a complete misundertanding of the situation in Brazil blown out of proprotion by the pro-Hamilton press. Ambient temp was just about highest ever. Fuel temps in Williams and BMW 5 degC below ambient limit. Ferrari and MCLaren cars not tested, would probably have been the same. Appeal lodged by McLaren, thrown out. Team orders - always used by all teams. McLaren with Alonso/Hamilton this year, Mika/DC a few years back, Ferrari made the mistakle of being blatant about it in Austria 2002. Other than that they are no different to any other team. Shall we also discuss BAR's hidden fuel tank, BAR's torque transfer system, McLaren's hidden brake bias pedal, McLaren's tampering with the ECU a few years back. Not saying they are any worse than Ferrari, just no better. - it's a highly competitve sport - the rules will be pushed to the limits and sometimes beyond. |
I have to say that in recent years the spotlight was always on Ferrari due to them winning so many races & championships
I dont recall Williams ever getting the same kind of scrutinisation or accusations when they won 5 years on the run, or Mclarens succesful run before then Shame they binned the idea of the break away series, that would have been much better to watch than the current crop of processional driving |
Team orders.... Hungary - If Alonso hadn't been penalised he would have been 1st/2nd. Who would have been WC then?
Adjustable floor - erm - its illegal, but we will let you off this time - don't do it again McLaren and Ferrari seem to bend the rules as much as they can. The FIA seem to arrange punishment to keep the title as close as it can be. I am not saying that the FIA are biased towards Ferrari (although one the balance of probability they are) but look at all the punishment meeted out in the last two years. Objective 1 - make it close Objective 2 - make sure Ferrari get the title Can you remind me of the punishment Ferrari recieved when Barichello let Schmacher past at Indy? How does that equate to the punishment recieved when Alonso and Hamilton didn't play the game in Hungary quali? |
Originally Posted by fast bloke
(Post 7416552)
Team orders.... Hungary - If Alonso hadn't been penalised he would have been 1st/2nd. Who would have been WC then?
Adjustable floor - erm - its illegal, but we will let you off this time - don't do it again McLaren and Ferrari seem to bend the rules as much as they can. The FIA seem to arrange punishment to keep the title as close as it can be. I am not saying that the FIA are biased towards Ferrari (although one the balance of probability they are) but look at all the punishment meeted out in the last two years. Objective 1 - make it close Objective 2 - make sure Ferrari get the title Can you remind me of the punishment Ferrari recieved when Barichello let Schmacher past at Indy? How does that equate to the punishment recieved when Alonso and Hamilton didn't play the game in Hungary quali? You are spot on about the championship being manipulated to keep it close. Remember Malaysia 1999. The Ferraris were disqualified as the barge boards were 5mm too low. The FIA overruled this thereby keeping the championship open to the last race. Sorry but if the cars were out of spec by 5 or 55mm it doesn't matter, they were out of spec. I believe Ferrari were fined for Austria 2002. Having said that it was a different case to Hungary 2007. It wasn't just team orders that were penalised there, but the fact that Alonso impeded Hamilton deliberately. |
Last year Schumacher seemed to be about to run off with the championship and parked the red van in Monaco. Penalised by being put to the back of the grid, which made the championship virtually even stevens again. When was the last season that an FIA decision didn't have a bearing on the championship (excluding the years that Schumacher had won it by round 2)
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I am not griping about Ferrari. I am griping about the FIA trying to enginereer a close championship. When Schumacher was dominant, they disqualified him for doing smelly farts.
Everyone knows smelly farts is the true sign of a champion |
Originally Posted by fast bloke
(Post 7416611)
I am not griping about Ferrari. I am griping about the FIA trying to enginereer a close championship. When Schumacher was dominant, they disqualified him for doing smelly farts.
The FIA definitely had a hand in the following years: 2007, 2006, 2005, 2003, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1995, 1994 2000 and 2001 I don't think so but not sure Anyway as you can see it's a regular occurence. The problem is F1 is more of a business than a sport nowadays. :( |
But it seems that Bernie is trying to make it look like a sport while the FIA and that fekin w4nkpot Mosley are trying to make it look like close competition. Mosley was at Stormont last night rubbing shoulders with Martin McGuinness. Everyone knows that McGuinness has a few dead people on his hands. It is a pity he didn't add one to the Disappeared.
p.s. - If I never post again you will know i have been 'got' - Betcha a tenner it was Mosley and not McGuinness |
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