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unclebuck 21 July 2007 02:04 PM

Hamilton bins it
 
In qualifying. Into the tyre wall at high speed when the front off side wheel or tyre failed. Went in hard, looks like it could be quite bad for him. Fingers crossed he's not too badly hurt. :eek:

Phil 21 July 2007 02:09 PM

Thumbs up from the Ambulance but he was on a drip[probably for shock]

Sonic' 21 July 2007 02:15 PM

Oh dear, hope he is ok :(

rallycol 21 July 2007 02:15 PM

Wheel not tight due to wheel gun failure

Odds on 21 July 2007 02:16 PM

More like 'Maclaren car bins itself with Hamilton as passenger'

There was nothing he could have down about it.

Least he gave a thumbs up as he was stretchered off to the Ambulance.

Ron Dennis has said it was a wheel gun failure! The wheel wasn't properly attached. Same equipment was used on Alonso's.

minty 21 July 2007 02:18 PM

hmmm, it's worrying for hamilton, he looke a bit groggy. He was on a flier too !!

Hope he's fine :thumb:

Sonic' 21 July 2007 02:18 PM

Wheel gun failure meant the wheel wasnt secured properly which looks like this caused the tyre to blow

not good really, he may have injured his foot or his leg, no more news as of yet

unclebuck 21 July 2007 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Odds on (Post 7126699)
More like 'Maclaren car bins itself with Hamilton as passenger'

There was nothing he could have down about it.

Indeed. Brings it home how things can change from going brilliantly to total disaster in fractions of a second.

Apparently he's ok - NO injuries according to Ron Dennis.

Sonic' 21 July 2007 02:26 PM

The team's press officer told Louise Goodman that Lewis is conscious and talking at the medical centre, but no other news on his condition is available.

Odds on 21 July 2007 02:29 PM

Its a shame, he was on a flier of a lap as well. Least it looks like he is ok and may still race tomorrow.:cool:

Sonic' 21 July 2007 02:54 PM

And after visiting Lewis in the medical centre, Dennis told Louise Goodman: "He has no injuries, no broken bones.


They are just keeping him for a couple of hours’ observation, maybe here or maybe they will take him to hospital as a precaution.


At the moment he has no injuries."


Regarding the cause of the accident, Dennis said: "It was nothing to do with Lewis, we had a gun failure. The right-front wheel wasn’t tight, we know that now as we discovered it afterwards."

Dennis confirmed that Hamilton did not lose consciousness at any point but said he could not yet say whether the 22-year-old will be fit to take part in tomorrow's race.


"Far too early to say but at the moment he doesn’t appear to have any pain anywhere, no broken bones," he said.


"He’s completely conscious and did not lose consciousness, which is very important.


"We won’t be able to decide until after a couple of hours’ observation, but so far so good."

If Hamilton is cleared to race, he will start from 10th position.

andythejock01wrx 21 July 2007 02:57 PM

140mph-ish crash, but it seems like he's ok (or at least no broken bones). Will start in P10 if they can rebuild the car rather than using the spare.

Glad he's ok (although during the press conference Raikonnen seemed more concermed about having to wait around during qualifying than the health of Hamilton ! :rolleyes: ).

f1_fan 21 July 2007 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx (Post 7126756)
although during the press conference Raikonnen seemed more concermed about having to wait around during qualifying than the health of Hamilton ! :rolleyes:

This is top class motor racing not a trip to the shops. Raikonnen is there to win, he knows Lewis is OK so why shouldn't he express concerns with the waiting around etc. I'm sure you'd all be much happier if he delivered some of SN's favourite PC BS wouldn't you :D

Here's hoping Lewis gets in the car tomorrow :D :D

oobster 21 July 2007 03:46 PM

Certainly looked a sore one on first viewing, hope he does race tomorrow but I think they might not chance it, incase he has another off and it might aggrivate any slight concusion he might have.

TopBanana 21 July 2007 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by phil_stephens (Post 7126687)
Thumbs up from the Ambulance but he was on a drip[probably for shock]

No, I didn't think he lost any blood

daddyscoob 21 July 2007 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sonic' (Post 7126752)
And after visiting Lewis in the medical centre, Dennis told Louise Goodman: "He has no injuries, no broken bones.


They are just keeping him for a couple of hours’ observation, maybe here or maybe they will take him to hospital as a precaution.


At the moment he has no injuries."


Regarding the cause of the accident, Dennis said: "It was nothing to do with Lewis, we had a gun failure. The right-front wheel wasn’t tight, we know that now as we discovered it afterwards."

Dennis confirmed that Hamilton did not lose consciousness at any point but said he could not yet say whether the 22-year-old will be fit to take part in tomorrow's race.


"Far too early to say but at the moment he doesn’t appear to have any pain anywhere, no broken bones," he said.


"He’s completely conscious and did not lose consciousness, which is very important.


"We won’t be able to decide until after a couple of hours’ observation, but so far so good."

If Hamilton is cleared to race, he will start from 10th position.


He will only start from 10th if they can rebuild his car which is in 'park ferme' (excuse the spelling).
If he uses the spare car he starts from the pitlane......

Petem95 21 July 2007 05:08 PM

I'd be surprised if he raced tomorrow after such a big impact to be honest.

I'm also surprised Alonso managed 2nd on the grid despite that massive over-steery moment on his lap! When they showed it on TV Brundell was like 'oh now way that happened on his final lap - he would have lost way too much time" - but seems it was! Would have easily been pole otherwise.

McLaren's may well be light on fuel - expect them to pit before Ferrari.

rallycol 21 July 2007 05:25 PM

Hot off the press Hamilton will race tomorrow

Odds on 21 July 2007 05:39 PM

Good news. Although he still has to have a medical in the morning to confirm.

swampster 21 July 2007 05:48 PM

And then it's just a matter of is he starting from 10th or the pit lane! It's going to be hard work to get on the podium starting 10th, but from the pit lane it's gonna be damage limitation.

Still should provide for an interesting race as he tries to make his way up the field.

CRAIGFIN 21 July 2007 06:59 PM

Never mind the crash:D...did you see the quality ad he did with Alonso during the commercial break? Some nice motors on show there!!

LEUVEN 21 July 2007 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Petem95 (Post 7126997)
I'd be surprised if he raced tomorrow after such a big impact to be honest.

I'm also surprised Alonso managed 2nd on the grid despite that massive over-steery moment on his lap! When they showed it on TV Brundell was like 'oh now way that happened on his final lap - he would have lost way too much time" - but seems it was! Would have easily been pole otherwise.

McLaren's may well be light on fuel - expect them to pit before Ferrari.

Yeah I noticed that, lost way over half a second and still finish .291 behind Kimi IIRC. :eek:
Alonso may be light on fuel but even so I think he has a faster pace than the Ferraris(probably why he is now happy with the car?) and it will be interesting to see if he can challenge Kimi from the off.
Shame for Lewis too as he was very very quick in T1 also( -6tenths up from Massa)

StickyMicky 21 July 2007 07:14 PM

how can the wheel gun fail? there should be systems in place to check the torque afterwards. sounds like somebody got sloppy.

one of my jobs at the nissan factory was gunning up the hub nuts, and believe me, there was no chance in hell of a car getting out with a loose hub nut :confused:

Nido 21 July 2007 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by StickyMicky (Post 7127236)
how can the wheel gun fail? there should be systems in place to check the torque afterwards. sounds like somebody got sloppy.

one of my jobs at the nissan factory was gunning up the hub nuts, and believe me, there was no chance in hell of a car getting out with a loose hub nut :confused:

They don't exactly have time to check the torque settings of the nuts during a pit stop, it's quite a quick affair ;) :D

The same nut was also loose on Alonso's car, that's how they realised it was machine and not human error. The gun wasn't doing the wheel nut up tight enough it seems, something wrong with the torque sensing bit of it perhaps?

StickyMicky 21 July 2007 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Nido (Post 7127307)
They don't exactly have time to check the torque settings of the nuts during a pit stop, it's quite a quick affair ;) :D

The same nut was also loose on Alonso's car, that's how they realised it was machine and not human error. The gun wasn't doing the wheel nut up tight enough it seems, something wrong with the torque sensing bit of it perhaps?

shouldnt the torque sensing part be checked/calibrated??

the guns at nissan are checked at the start of every shift, one would assume that an F1 team, would be calibrating them a bit more often then the start of session ?

the pit crew do next to nothing inbetween pitstops, it would take seconds to check the guns calibration :eek:

Nido 21 July 2007 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by StickyMicky (Post 7127319)
shouldnt the torque sensing part be checked/calibrated??

the guns at nissan are checked at the start of every shift, one would assume that an F1 team, would be calibrating them a bit more often then the start of session ?


During a 15 minute shootout I doubt there is much time for that, also with one gun only doing 4/6 wheel changes in the session I would have thought it could cope with that without being calibrated every time....

Odds on 21 July 2007 08:19 PM

Maclaren have come up with a solution for tomorrow...

















http://www.toolspot.co.uk/products/J...%20Brace_t.jpg


:thumb:

CRAIGFIN 21 July 2007 08:32 PM

These F1 teams get it right more often than not....they know what they are doing:D. It doesn't matter how many checks you do, if something has moving parts then it can fail at any time.

Scoob99 21 July 2007 10:01 PM

Here's hoping Lewis gets in the car tomorrow


And Raikkinon bins it the misrable git:mad:
Cheers
Colin

carl 21 July 2007 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sonic' (Post 7126715)
The team's press officer told Louise Goodman that Lewis is conscious and talking at the medical centre

I know that Lewis is OK now, and that things have moved on a lot in 30 years, but remember that Ronnie Petersen was also 'conscious and talking at the medical centre' :(


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