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trails 08 January 2007 12:36 PM

205 help...
 
...posting on behalf of one of my friends :)

he is looking to buy a 1.9 gti, he's been offered one for around £800...pretty good condition overall but has a very lumpy idle when started (almost sounds like a misfire?), and ticks over circa 1900rpm when warmed up it seems to run fine when on the move; any idea if this is a known issue\easy fix?

better still anyone got a decent 1.9 for sale? :D

cheers in advance,
ian

ScoobyJawa 08 January 2007 02:35 PM

http://www.205gtidrivers.com/info/buying1.html

http://www.205gtidrivers.com/info/buying2.html

jonnyh 08 January 2007 02:41 PM

Sounds like a typical AFM (air flow meter) problem. Could also be an air leak (induction side).

If its the AFM they can be retracked DIY or its easy enough to fit a new one DIY. They are a bit pricey new though.

Have a look on www.forums.205gtidrivers.com Theres a guide on retracking and other stuff.

BTW 1.9 is not miles ahead of latter 1.6 cars (which make 115bhp on normal unleaded).

I may part with my 1.6 for £1,100;)

Dream Weaver 08 January 2007 02:43 PM

You can have my 1.9 for £6k ;)

They do have a lumpy ish idle in std trim, but as Jonny says probably AFM at fault.

Check the rear beam as well, not for the idle issue, just a general check.

Bald Speed Racing 08 January 2007 04:02 PM

Yeh I would say AFM, its probably full of gunk. My old one did the same use to have to clean it out from time to time. Dont have the problems any more with my Webers.

As Dreamweaver said check the rear beam, most 205's are getting to the age where they start to seize or get a bit stiff. Recon jobbies arent cheap :(

Claaarkio 08 January 2007 04:41 PM

It maybe somthing else as well but they have very high lift cams as standard and this was one of the reasons they made good power back in the day!!

if the cams have been changed for even bigger ones this may be why the idle is so bad and has to tick over at 1900 when warm!!

Dave :)

rossi_p 09 January 2007 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Claaarkio (Post 6524176)
It maybe somthing else as well but they have very high lift cams as standard and this was one of the reasons they made good power back in the day!!

if the cams have been changed for even bigger ones this may be why the idle is so bad and has to tick over at 1900 when warm!!

Dave :)

Indeed!

Mine ticks over at 1900.

trails - will have to bring mine along to a ESC meet... I'm thinking the next rr day after I've had some work done.

trails 11 January 2007 02:02 PM

thanks for the info gents...i think he is sold on it so will try the fixes suggested here :)

Ross, PM me next time you are going to a meet and I'll get my finger out and try and make it down there ;)

ian

colinversion8 11 January 2007 02:36 PM

mate of mine loves his 205's they all seem to idle real lumpy,worse when cold,sounds like a bargin at that money

pnbond007 11 January 2007 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dream Weaver (Post 6523648)
You can have my 1.9 for £6k ;)

They do have a lumpy ish idle in std trim, but as Jonny says probably AFM at fault.

Check the rear beam as well, not for the idle issue, just a general check.


6k what do you have

I've had two & tbh i'de have another anyday....

ScoobyJawa 12 January 2007 12:18 AM

His is worth it ;)

Dream Weaver 12 January 2007 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by pnbond007 (Post 6538493)
6k what do you have

I've had two & tbh i'de have another anyday....

;)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...p/prosport.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ies/bodies.jpg

Rebuilt Mi16 engine, Piper 270, Head/chamber work, Emerald M3D, GSXR750 Throttle Bodies, Samco hoses, Grp A GE Rods/Quick shift, Magnex, Grp N front/rear mounts, alloy strut brace, std interior/exterior, black leather, Skip Brown P1 Suspension, Bi-Xenon HID kit, PAS - 199bhp @ 6,880rpm, 155 ft/lbs at 6,400rpm

pnbond007 12 January 2007 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Dream Weaver (Post 6540047)
;)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...p/prosport.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ies/bodies.jpg

Rebuilt Mi16 engine, Piper 270, Head/chamber work, Emerald M3D, GSXR750 Throttle Bodies, Samco hoses, Grp A GE Rods/Quick shift, Magnex, Grp N front/rear mounts, alloy strut brace, std interior/exterior, black leather, Skip Brown P1 Suspension, Bi-Xenon HID kit, PAS - 199bhp @ 6,880rpm, 155 ft/lbs at 6,400rpm



Holy facarchia.....
I'm lost for word's & it still looks original - the very best way

Nice one

Dream Weaver 12 January 2007 11:27 AM

Cheers. It did have buckets in and was stripped out with extinguisher etc, but it was too harsh to use on the road, and as I realised I wouldn't get much chance to do more than 1 trackday a year I put the original black leather interior back in. :)

So its going to be a nice fast road car now, with updated interior bits etc. Its cost me £8k to build though and i've only done 300 miles since I finished it last May, just dont get time to use it :(

trails 12 January 2007 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Dream Weaver (Post 6540405)
Cheers. It did have buckets in and was stripped out with extinguisher etc, but it was too harsh to use on the road, and as I realised I wouldn't get much chance to do more than 1 trackday a year I put the original black leather interior back in. :)

So its going to be a nice fast road car now, with updated interior bits etc. Its cost me £8k to build though and i've only done 300 miles since I finished it last May, just dont get time to use it :(

great looking semi-sleeper...how much differnec did you notice between stripped\buckets vs standard trim?

pnbond007 12 January 2007 12:36 PM

I know what your saying about not using the car enough....

I have spent a boat load of money on my RA & only covered 3k in nearly 3yrs.

Have been thinking of selling it, but I cannot get my head around loosing so much money.

Gutmann pug 12 January 2007 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by trails (Post 6540544)
great looking semi-sleeper...how much differnec did you notice between stripped\buckets vs standard trim?

You can get good weight out by stripping the car. It's a free performance upgrade. It also sounds faster as its much LOUDER

Dream Weaver 12 January 2007 01:31 PM

The std seats were about 4 times heavier than the buckets, bucket could be lifted with one hand, the leather seats need 2 hands per seat just to move them in/out of the car :D

Back seats also weighed a ton so there was quite a weight saving to be had, but the buckets were low down which made the driving experience a lot different as the wheel was higher up. As Gary says, it was also a lot louder with no rear seats, and the car was much bumpier.

Its a nicer place to be now with std seats.

If I was doing it all again as a track car I would buy a decent std 1.9 and just strip it down to nothing inside, plus swiss cheese it all over. I'd keep the 8v engine for cheapness and spend on suspension.

I have £1k worth of suspension sat behind me from Skip Brown which still needs fitting - I imagine that will change the car once again. It better had do, cos thats it now for spending on the damn thing :D

Will hopefully be seeing some track action this year though :)

Chris L 12 January 2007 01:38 PM

What a cracking motor DW :)

Used to love my 1.6 GTI - the only car I ever regret selling. Makes me want to get another one for track days too!

trails 12 January 2007 02:25 PM

i think Dan will be keeping the full interior as its going to be his only car (not daily as he has a trannie), so comfort will deffo be a considration...thanks again gents, lots of useful info and advice :)

Dream Weaver 12 January 2007 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Chris L (Post 6540918)
What a cracking motor DW :)

Used to love my 1.6 GTI - the only car I ever regret selling. Makes me want to get another one for track days too!

Cheers, they are great fun :)

And here she is on the power run at Prosport - CIMG3530.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

trails 12 January 2007 11:18 PM

How do gents,

Dan here...just hijacked Ian's log in to say Ta for the info. fitting a new cam belt and full oil change tomorrow, looking at the the electric choke thingy as well to try and sort the lumpy cold idle.

thanks again...i'll post some pics in a couple of weeks

Dan the Man (ground support tactical mayhem team; Wagon Sqn 555):D


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