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Moley 16 October 2006 06:21 PM

SPECS Loophole?
 
Drivers can avoid speeding tickets...by changing lanes | the Daily Mail

warrenm2 16 October 2006 06:36 PM

good spot!

SwissTony 16 October 2006 06:43 PM

I will be weaving from lane to lane from now on :D

doubt it works on the M42, as they have specs on each lane, or does it have count if one camera in lane 3 clocks the start of your excessive speed, but lane 1 camera records the final average??

andy97 16 October 2006 06:43 PM

I can just see it, zig zagging cars on specs section of motorways, thats really going to upset the middle lane driver :lol1:

think ill try it next time im on one of these sections

andy97 16 October 2006 06:46 PM

From the understanding I read the home office approval only works for one camera, one lane, so lane hopping here we come. Saying that I always try to move to the inside lane when ever there is a gap, so im doing it already and didnt realise

jonc 16 October 2006 07:48 PM

So who's gonna test the theory? Whoever does, let us know the outcome!! :thumb:

Oh and don't try it on single carriage ways!!!

Nat 16 October 2006 08:04 PM

:thumb:

Although most SPECS are on sections of M-way with roadworks/40mph limits where they are a very good idea.

StudentScooby 16 October 2006 08:45 PM

There is loads of them in notts all on double lanes but only single cameras each side...

StudentScooby 16 October 2006 08:47 PM

Although there is some on the a52 when its single lane

ru' 17 October 2006 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Nat21
:thumb:

Although most SPECS are on sections of M-way with roadworks/40mph limits where they are a very good idea.

Not in most cases IMHO - roadworks protected by thick concrete barriers and no-one working at all most of the time.

I agree it may be useful when there's a workforce to protect, but for what seems like 99% of the time it's a joke having a 40mph limit.

Floyd 17 October 2006 08:15 AM

There are only 2 cameras on the M1 road works but there are 4 lanes at some points...

F

OllyK 17 October 2006 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Nat21
:thumb:

Although most SPECS are on sections of M-way with roadworks/40mph limits where they are a very good idea.

Nottingham (A610 in particular) is rife with them, they are also installing them on the A46 between the Melton Junction and Newark.

Gymbal 17 October 2006 09:24 AM

Does any of the GPS detectors have the pairings listed so people know when to change lane? Might minimise the havoc that will soon happen. Are they a fixed distance (roughly ) apart?

2 articles in the Mail that are useful in less than a week? Stunned.

Neanderthal 17 October 2006 09:38 AM

I've always wondered this as the ones in Northampton look like they're aimed at the 'fast' lane.
Obviously never dared to check it though!

scoobynutta555 17 October 2006 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Nat21
:thumb:

Although most SPECS are on sections of M-way with roadworks/40mph limits where they are a very good idea.

Not a very good idea in my book. I regularly have to use the M1 J6-10 and it's a proper pain in the arse. As mentioned earlier, there are barriers thick and high which seperate traffic from the 'workforce'. Barriers which are substantially better than what was there before. And since when was 40 the new roadworks speed limit? I seem to remember it was 50 mph not so long ago. You'd be doing well to spot a worker in the first place.

In fact a 40 mph limit at night is extrememly dangerous as attention spans rapidly go downhill through sheer boredom at travelling at 40 mph when there's no other traffic about. Try commuting home at 4am and giving a thumbs up to speed cameras :mad:

hutton_d 17 October 2006 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Nat21
:thumb:

Although most SPECS are on sections of M-way with roadworks/40mph limits where they are a very good idea.

Nope. Same idea as the 'cameras outside of schools MUST be a good idea'. Stop and think what the problem is, if indeed there is one, before jumping on the camera bandwagon. If you're thinking that 'cameras are good' then the suthorities have won. You need to think 'why cameras, why not a way that STOPS accidents etc rather than one that robs the innocent of money'!

Dave

Scooby Roo 17 October 2006 11:44 AM

Be very careful as SPECS are being advanced. It is correct that they can only spot in one lane but they can also be set to spot in a different lane. They are fixed but they could be set to a middle entry and a fast lane exit.

Just don't try a dare them....;)

Roo

OllyK 17 October 2006 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Scooby Roo
Be very careful as SPECS are being advanced. It is correct that they can only spot in one lane but they can also be set to spot in a different lane. They are fixed but they could be set to a middle entry and a fast lane exit.

Just don't try a dare them....;)

Roo

None of that is the issue, it's to do with the type approval, despite what they can do from a technology point of view, in law, they have only been approved for use with vehicles in the same lane on entry and exit.

But, under Home Office rules governing the camera equipment, prosecutions are only valid if a driver is filmed in the same lane at the start and finish of each section by a linked pair of cameras.
...
But under Home Office 'type approval' rules, each individual set cannot be linked to any of the others. So cars are timed only between sets of number plate readers 'paired' for the same lane.

paul-s 17 October 2006 01:32 PM

bingo :D have to try that out on the A2 in the mornings

astraboy 17 October 2006 01:32 PM

Would it work over multiple lanes and over mulitple cameras?
Heres my theory,
You go under the first camera in lane one
You change to lane two
You go under the first camera in lane two
You change to lane three
You go under the first camera in lane three
You change back to lane one.

would you not be caught by the camera in lane one which registered your details when you passed under it?

Or is it that cameras are "paired" so they have the first and the second in lane one, then they go onto a new pair and you can only get caught if a pair catch you, not a camera 5 miles down the road, but in the same lane.
Anyone shead any light?
astraboy.

Floyd 17 October 2006 01:44 PM

Stick close to a lorry so it can't read the plate :D

F

SJ_Skyline 17 October 2006 01:45 PM

Just drive around without a front plate! Can't be that many plod left on the roads to pull you over! ;)

carl 17 October 2006 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by astraboy
Would it work over multiple lanes and over mulitple cameras?

Or is it that cameras are "paired"

Jeez, this is the second time I've had to post this in two days. Why not read the article before asking questions? OllyK has quoted the relevant part, both cameras must film you in the same lane, and prosecutions must be via a linked pair of cameras. There can only be two cameras in a linked pair, so the fact that you're subsequently spotted in the same lane by a third or subsequent camera is irrelevant.

Nat 17 October 2006 04:57 PM

Having known people who have been hit by cars or debris thrown up by cars while they were working on Motorway works and been seriously injured I think anything that makes traffic slow down is a great idea. Ok, workers are not always there but a lot of the time they are and having traffic flying by at high speed is extremely dangerous to them. Bear in mind that the lanes are narrow too compared to normal M-way lanes.

In my opinion exceeding the speed limit in road works is as bad as doing so in a village/built up area with a 30 limit.

N1gel 1970 17 October 2006 05:30 PM

just don't bother registering your car :nono: :nono: :nono:

astraboy 17 October 2006 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by carl
Jeez, this is the second time I've had to post this in two days. Why not read the article before asking questions? OllyK has quoted the relevant part, both cameras must film you in the same lane, and prosecutions must be via a linked pair of cameras. There can only be two cameras in a linked pair, so the fact that you're subsequently spotted in the same lane by a third or subsequent camera is irrelevant.

Thanks for explaining it.
Here's a present for your trouble.
http://www.bigelowtea.com/images/catalog/00107.jpg
astraboy.

RayC 18 October 2006 09:21 AM

i read this some time ago, if one of the cameras misses your plate it wont activate either, slipping in behind a big truck usually does it, more from a bucking the sytem point of veiw really, my own little rebelion, its not worth speeding in the road works anyway

OllyK 18 October 2006 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Nat21
Having known people who have been hit by cars or debris thrown up by cars while they were working on Motorway works and been seriously injured I think anything that makes traffic slow down is a great idea. Ok, workers are not always there but a lot of the time they are and having traffic flying by at high speed is extremely dangerous to them. Bear in mind that the lanes are narrow too compared to normal M-way lanes.

In my opinion exceeding the speed limit in road works is as bad as doing so in a village/built up area with a 30 limit.

If people were actually working on the roadworks I'd agree, but when you get a 10 mile stretch on the M1 with 1 guy leaning on a shovel 4 miles in to it and nothing else, it does pi$$ you off.

Nat 18 October 2006 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by OllyK
If people were actually working on the roadworks I'd agree, but when you get a 10 mile stretch on the M1 with 1 guy leaning on a shovel 4 miles in to it and nothing else, it does pi$$ you off.

Yes it can be annoyign but it's the same thing as saying "There's not always kids in front of schools" or "There's not always people around the village green/village high street/shopping centre" etc...

If anyone came on here and said "I drive through villages, past schools, through densely populated housing estates at 60mph but it's ok because it's not school home time or it's the middle of the night" then they would get massively abused by the Snet massive.

OllyK 18 October 2006 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by Nat21
Yes it can be annoyign but it's the same thing as saying "There's not always kids in front of schools" or "There's not always people around the village green/village high street/shopping centre" etc...

If anyone came on here and said "I drive through villages, past schools, through densely populated housing estates at 60mph but it's ok because it's not school home time or it's the middle of the night" then they would get massively abused by the Snet massive.

No it isn't, unless you have a school zone near you that extends for 10 miles with only one school in it?


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