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mart360 13 March 2006 01:03 PM

Will aid be provided for the UK??
 
Just been anounced that we are officially having a drought :eek:

will we now have a live aid, and loads of overseas popgroups raising money to help us??

could this be teflons masterplan to get him out of the financial poo??

why dosnt / hasnt the gov made the water companys have a national distribution system, like electricity & gas..

or does profit for the elite spring to mind

Mart

Suresh 13 March 2006 01:09 PM

Tory Tory Tory
 
The Tories privatised the water supply industry in 1989 with disastrous consequences for efficiency, investment in infrastructure and regional competition.

Profit for Tory supporters was their goal and it was pretty much achieved at the expense of the UK public :thumb:

EoT

Suresh

ewanrw 13 March 2006 01:31 PM

Nah, but scottish water and a few tanker companies are about to make a nice wee profit

suprabeast 13 March 2006 01:32 PM

ok so it wasn't Mayor Ken who stopped the issue being resolved last year.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...676110,00.html


Thames Water, which supplies eight million people in and around London, has faced a flood of criticism because its ancient, leaky, under-invested pipes lose almost one billion litres of water per day — enough to flush a modern loo some 200 million times. But Thames Water has at least taken the positive step of planning a £200 million desalination plant in Beckton, the first in Britain to turn seawater into drinking water.

The Government’s Environment Agency says this plant is urgently needed, and Newham Council agreed the project. Livingstone, however, vetoed it. Why on earth would the Mayor of London want to kibosh plans to tap into an almost limitless supply of water for the city? Apparently because the plant would use energy, and therefore contribute to global warming — the fashionable argument against doing anything today. And mostly because Livingstone prefers to make people use less water, and pay more for it through metering.

it must have been the torys fault for a decision made 18 years ago. Get with the programme

OllyK 13 March 2006 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Suresh
The Tories privatised the water supply industry in 1989 with disastrous consequences for efficiency, investment in infrastructure and regional competition.

Profit for Tory supporters was their goal and it was pretty much achieved at the expense of the UK public :thumb:

EoT

Suresh

I'd almost be sympathetic IF NL had actually done anything in the last 9 years to change things.

Suresh 13 March 2006 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by suprabeast
it must have been the torys fault for a decision made 18 years ago.

That's what I've been saying. Glad at least one of you actually understands cause and effect. :thumb:

suprabeast 13 March 2006 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by OllyK
I'd almost be sympathetic IF NL had actually done anything in the last 9 years to change things.


as Olly says... 9 years and nothing has been done by the so called perfect government

Suresh 13 March 2006 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by suprabeast
as Olly says... 9 years and nothing has been done by the so called perfect government

Not true. Over the last 10 years the water leakage problem has been reduced by 30% :luxhello: . Could be better of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4747408.stm

The root cause of the problem was Tory scum selling off the family silver to their mates at rock bottom prices. I'm just trying to help us never forget that fact. :o

Suresh

Adrian F 13 March 2006 02:09 PM

not helped by this government building loads of houses in the south east!

Mungo 13 March 2006 02:13 PM

Exactly. 1 million extra homes in the Thames Gateway area is going to put a huge extra demand on Thames Water. A desalination plant is not the way forward - better utilisation of existing resources is. That means that Thames Water needs to reduce leakage from their system even more. It also means that homes should collect rainwater for toilet flushing and garden use.

suprabeast 13 March 2006 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Suresh
Not true. Over the last 10 years the water leakage problem has been reduced by 30% :luxhello: . Could be better of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4747408.stm

The root cause of the problem was Tory scum selling off the family silver to their mates at rock bottom prices. I'm just trying to help us never forget that fact. :o

Suresh

thats a very interesting point, altho imagine if the water comapnies werent privatised. they would be as much of a sham as the current government.

Millions of £££ of cash thrown towards covering up the issue rather than solving it

Adrian F 13 March 2006 02:27 PM

The way forward is not just to build homes in an area that has no employment prospects and also doesnt have the natural resources to support them.

As to better use great idea but it is all more cost which isnt actually cost effective.

When you factor in the cost of water meter installation, reading of them, replacement (every 25 years at least) they arent this great saver of the world that is made out.

As usual this governments answer to every problem is to make us pay more! That thames water is still allowing 30% of water to be lost in leaks is incrediable.

Stoping projects because it uses energy means we had better throw away all our computers and other Technology based products then! electricity consumption is rocketing because we use more and more eletrical products, this is a basic fact of life so may be a desalination plant will be a help but until they can supply sufficient water to cope with the situation we have today they shouldnt be building more homes.

OllyK 13 March 2006 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Suresh
Not true. Over the last 10 years the water leakage problem has been reduced by 30% :luxhello: . Could be better of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4747408.stm

The root cause of the problem was Tory scum selling off the family silver to their mates at rock bottom prices. I'm just trying to help us never forget that fact. :o

Suresh

You're at it again. The compaines are private, the reduction in water leaks have occured since they became private, so you can thank the Tories for that. NL haven't actually done anything.

Suresh 13 March 2006 03:09 PM

Illogical
 

Originally Posted by OllyK
You're at it again. The compaines are private, the reduction in water leaks have occured since they became private, so you can thank the Tories for that. NL haven't actually done anything.

You really are quite funny. :lol1:
Leaks reduced : Tories get credit.
Leaks not reduced : Labour gets blame.

Wurzel 13 March 2006 03:09 PM

Don't see what the problem is with TW having leaking water pipe!! surely the water leeks into the ground then ends up back in the reservoirs again, no water is actually lost anywhere is it. I doesn't jsut disappear! some may evaporate but then gets rained back down again somewhere. Ther eis only so much water on this planet and none of it vanishes into space so it is all technicall ystill on teh planet in some lake or summat.

OllyK 13 March 2006 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Suresh
You really are quite funny. :lol1:
Leaks reduced : Tories get credit.
Leaks not reduced : Labour gets blame.

I wasn't giving the Tories the credit, I was making a facetious remark, pointing out that you selectively attribute credit to NL to suit your position much as you acuse me of doing above.

OllyK 13 March 2006 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Wurzel
Don't see what the problem is with TW having leaking water pipe!! surely the water leeks into the ground then ends up back in the reservoirs again, no water is actually lost anywhere is it. I doesn't jsut disappear! some may evaporate but then gets rained back down again somewhere. Ther eis only so much water on this planet and none of it vanishes into space so it is all technicall ystill on teh planet in some lake or summat.

The issue is that when it leaks from the pipes, a significant amount of cash and energy has been spent getting it to that point in terms of cleaning it and pumping it.

hutton_d 13 March 2006 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Wurzel
Don't see what the problem is with TW having leaking water pipe!! surely the water leeks into the ground then ends up back in the reservoirs again, no water is actually lost anywhere is it.

Nope. At this point it ends up in rivers and then the sea. So, as has been pointed out, to get here a vast amount of money has been spent already which is wasted.

Oh, as for the 'energy' needed to run a desalination plant contributing to GW, if the money needed to implement Kyoto was used elsewhere it could provide adequate fresh water for EVEYONE on the planet ... over to you Red Ken ....

Dave

AudiLover 13 March 2006 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by suprabeast
ok so it wasn't Mayor Ken who stopped the issue being resolved last year.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...676110,00.html

it must have been the torys fault for a decision made 18 years ago. Get with the programme

Yeah but that plant wouldnt have been built by now anyway. Takes several years to just get the good bacteria up to scratch to actually make the water clean enough and all the other stuff they would have to build with it.

Chip 13 March 2006 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Suresh
The Tories privatised the water supply industry in 1989 with disastrous consequences for efficiency, investment in infrastructure and regional competition.

Profit for Tory supporters was their goal and it was pretty much achieved at the expense of the UK public :thumb:

EoT

Suresh

The water industry in the UK has invested £billions in mains replacement since being privatised. Before this very very little was spent on the UK watrer system.FACT.

Chip

alcazar 13 March 2006 05:07 PM

They could still do a lot better, though.

Recent figures put the loss at 8 BILLION gallons a year, between them:(

here in the fairly rainy North Midlands, I've reported FOUR leaks this last 12 months. Three took over 4 months each before being fixed, the fourth is still running:mad:

Anglian water!:mad:

And because I live in an area that pays Anglian for it's (nasty, chlorinated), drinking water, and Severn-Trent to deal with it's waste water, we pay over the odds for the two!:mad:
Certainly more than mates who pay entirely to one, or the other:mad:

Alcazar


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