i shouldent have read it:mad: , but a stok vts is only 110bhp. don up may be it'll will on pull off. this is against a stok scooby too, as soon as a scoobys turbo kicks in. by by vts. but spend the same time on a scoob, zorst ect. who are thay kidding, wish i never read the thing now:lol1:

:sleep: , off thead now

Mk 2 saxos have 130bhp, you would be suprised at the pace of these. What quarter mile time does a uk scoob do?? A 160ish bhp saxo will be mid 14's which must be close to a scoob.

colin

I'm not getting involved in the whole what's faster debate, but out of curiosity can you reall extract 30 etra bhp just by changing the exhaust on a naturally aspirated saxo?

Ns04

Clare, loose the induction kit and dump valve- pointless and potentially harmful additions. You'd be better served getting a remap to exploit your decat exhaust - should see you anywhere between the 260-280bhp mark.

NS04

It sounds like some people need to find themselves girlfriends.

LOL, my thoughts exactly, an exhaust an induction kit might get 1-5 bhp if that.

I thought that the saxo's were approx 125bhp at the fly which is why I wondered what the previous chap did to get 130 at the wheels.

Chris

Bloody hell. Cant afford to run a scoob and a girlfriend. Not made of money.

Good advice:thumb:

Get a EcuTek remap, and the saxo would feel like he left his handbrake on.:Suspiciou

Firstly it will take a hell of a lot more than an exhaust, air filter and FSE power boost valve to return 160bhp on a VTS engine.

I spent several thousand tunning my 106 Dimma which had the VTS engine. I had forged pistons (high comp), light & balance, gas flowed head, kent PT52 cams, 4 branch manifold etc and all I ever got was 151bhp @ fly.

Before putting the Dimma wide arch kit, 18" wheels (why-o-why) my ickle 106 could keep on the bumper of a standard UK Impreza, maybe even push it along a little.... infact one pulled in and let me past on day :)

A standard UK Turbo at 215bhp with weight of 1450kg is 148bhp per ton

A modded 106 GTi at 151bhp with weight of 950kg is 158bhp per ton

106 GTi has transmission loss of 23%

UK Turbo has transmission loss of 30%

The truth hurts!

Are we talking classic scoob or newage? Think the classics weigh slightly less than the bug, blob and hawkeyes so probably have a slightly better power to weight ratio than quoted. Even still a 150bhp light hot hatch will still keep with a standard scoob depending on conditions.

I remember having an excellent blast with a clio willy in my old uk classic many moons ago on straights and twisties and he was up my arse the entire time (oooh er ;))- happy days :D

A classic uk turbo is 1270kg.

My STi-8 is running 380/380 now and a little Mk3 Clio was giving me some cheek the other morning, yes I pulled away is good fasion but feck me was that quick.... I'm sure I could here some cheeky turbo chatter from under his hood though!

Edited for accuracy

A Classic has 177bhp/ton as standard.

Considerably over 200+bhp per ton possible with an exhaust and remap. Agree with you completely that getting 30bhp extra out of a saxo will cost a lot more than just an exhaust- that owner is kidding himself.

Standing qtr mile for a UK turbo running 260bhp+ should be in the high 12s then I believe. 0-60 it would destroy the Saxo, it would never recover the deficit......not without rather more than 160bhp

The truth will set you free! ;) :D :thumb:

Cheers,

Ns04

1235kgs for a Uk turbo mate, I believe ;) Sti's around that figure though IIRC.

Never knew you would lose 23% in a 2WD car.

1235 is more like a jdm with there alloy bits and bobs.

My MY99 handbook says 1235 (before I get in it!!!!) :D

My remapped Octavia vRS puts out 180 bhp at wheels and 231 bhp at flywheel which is 21.6% loss :)

I like the VRS, great "sleeper" much like the original UK turbo, before it became well known. At the time was deffo the VW groups best attempt at a performance car. :thumb: Looks good in black too!

NS04

Thats good so my my99 JDM with its alloy bonnet and wishbones must weigh less than i thought.

Knew it was faster than a saxo.

Respect :notworthy

Nah mate, you'd struggle to outdrag a milkfloat in that!!! You wouldn't see which way the Saxo went!! ;) :D :D

30bhp from an exhaust on a saxo my arse! He's obviously high on McDs!!!! ;) :D

Ns04

No doubt milkfloat would do me in the end. His batteries would last longer than my tank of fuel.

:lol1: That'd be funny if it wasn't true!!!! ;) :lol1:

That's why Subaru are looking into electric hybrids for the next model!! :D :D

FINALLY SCOOBY OWNERS CAN OUTDRAG A MILKFLOAT!!!! ;)

If you can't beat em.... :D

you forget those lexus rear lights on saxo's add some serious bhp though:)

For all those textbook racers out there:

4WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/4wd.asp?sort=Make

2WD cars: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp?sort=Make

Of particular interest to "real-world" drivers should be the 0-100 or 60-100 times which are all "sortable" by clicking on the column title.

Compare and enjoy.

Textbook being much safer than street racing obviously :thumb:

Rich

Is it me or are all Saxo drivers 4'3'' or 12 yrs old (or both.......)

how do they already have figures for the STI 2.5 PPP I thought this package had not been developed yet. Also it states a WRX Type 25 is a faster accelerating car than the spec c 2.5 is this right?

Dry weight FWIW - so add about 60kg unless you're going to free wheel :D

civic vs scoob in "other marques" saxo vs scoob here.

who cares ??

what we should be worrying about is pink or brown ??

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ewan