My head says Civic. My heart says Mini.

pros of the Civic IMHO.....Space, engine and gearbox
cons.....chassis, sterring feedback

pros of the Mini IMHO.....Torque, chuckability, cornering, solid feel inside and out
cons.....space, price

Your views would be much appreciated

Cheers

Very skittish. Didn't feel as planted as say the Integra Type R was.

If you like the planted feel of the Integra Type R how about http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/2.jpg

Darren

Skitish ? Thats half the fun :D

Yep that is a lovely looking car, but cannot afford the import insurance and the price of the car as well.

Well this Integra is for sale found it on the Civic Type R Forum here are the details
I got my standard 2002 Honda Integra Type R – DC5 in White a month ago. (with original documents). Genuine reason for sale.

- 6100 miles on the clock
- Factory fitted air con
- HID headlight
- Engine push start button
- Red Recaro interior
- Clifford Concept 600 alarm
- Mugen Front & Rear strut bar
- Mugen thermostat & switch (standard parts in garage)
- Spoon Progressive Springs (standard springs in garage)
- Spoon Front & Rear lower arm bar
- CD/MD player (double din)
- Rear factory tinted windows
- Front 30% tinted windows
- Price 17,995

Immaculate condition. Car is located in London.

Pictures:
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/1.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/2.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/3.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/4.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/5.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/6.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/7.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/8.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/9.jpg
http://www.citadeldevelopment.com/pics/10.jpg

I am married so that's all over now :(

Get the mini and take it to AMD!

There is someone else who does rude mini conversions...

MB

Anyone else? Need to make my mind up before Saturday

CTR :) minis are a bit, well feminine :/

Agree

Mini = what are we having today sir, perm or highlights.

:D :D

But Evo say the Mini S is the DB'S?

Have you thought about a Seat Leon Cupra R. 210bhp FWD, 5 doors, huuuge amount of space inside and very nice looking considering its a Seat. Its basically got the VAG 1.8 20V Turbo engine as per the Series 1 Audi S3 Quattro. A colleague at work has just taken delivery of his in black and it looks very nice indeed. 18's as standard, huge disks and callipers. Worth a look I wreckon if your looking at the CTR and Cooper S. The Seat is the better car IMHO.

Thought of the Seat, looks good but really worried about residuals.

seats a bit soft, great engine though, 260 bhp chip sir ;)

seat holding its value better than the ctr too!

I test drove both, ended up with a Cooper S, never looked back.

My colleague has a CTR, he says he's fed up of it already and looking to buy something else (Elise).

Andy

gotta ask yourself a few questions,

what sort of driving do you do?
is practicallity important?
is it a second car or how much is it gonna be used?
who else is gonna drive it? (wife?)
running cost important?

Mainly Town driving some motorway
Having a kid soonish (Cooper is crap)
No First car
15000 miles p.a.
Wife is driving it too.
Running cost is important

Well, if your having a kid soon, then its gotta be the CTR. Don't think you'll be able to get a child seat and pram into a mini, well maybe just the child seat.

As a CTR owner for 18 months, I would have to agree with most of last weeks Autocar's long term test:

Good points:
Superb engine with decent torque, massive revs and superb power.
Brilliant gearbox.
Looks superb.
Practical size.
Fun chassis on smooth roads with excellent balance.
Still attracts glances even after nearly 2 years.

Bad points:
Not so fun chassis on bumpy tarmac. Rear end under damped.
Steering lacks feel. You get used to it but it's never perfect.
Ride very agitated.
Standard interior a bit low rent. Looks good but plastics are thin and cheap.
Standard seats a bit 'bouncy'!
Attracts stone chips like other cars attract insects in summer!
Honda UK a nightmare to deal with if you get problems.

With a kiddie on the way then you will regret a 3-door car after a few months of clambering over the front seats. Seat has got to be the obvious choice IMHO. Just been taken out in a CTR and the thing that really stood out was the fact that it had to be driven hard to feel like it was going anywhere at a reasonable pace. CTR=life in the red zone whereas the Leon Cupra R has torque-a-plenty from tick-over and would be the more grown-up choice considering your circumstances. Best of luck in your choice of car and the imminent little'un. :D

Just realised that you have a kid on the way! Forget the CTR. It has enough space but getting a car seat in and out of the back is not easy at all. The lever on the seat is stiff, the seats are bulky and the end of the lever always pings off into the shrubbery at least once a week. Getting all the belts sorted is also a complete pain, and the boot isn't big enough for a pram/buggy etc as well as any useful baby paraphenalia. I only ever use mine for kiddie duty occasionally and it's a pain in the neck.

Have you considered the Octavia RS as well? Massive boot and five doors. Reasonable performance and decent handling. Not as driver focused as the CTR or Cooper, but these things will pale into significance when the little one arrives!

CTR is the only choice here.

Golf R32????

CTR is great on a sunny day in Wales, hard work the rest of the time. Not had one but had the S2K which in terms of the way it delivers power is very similar.

Whats wrong with the CTRs chassis?

CTR obviously:D

[Edited by CTR - 4/8/2003 11:58:28 AM]

Bird asks what car you drive:

Mini
:( :rolleyes: :eek:

Honda Type R (don't mention the word Civic)
:) :) :) :)

MB

[Edited by Dark Blue Mark - 4/8/2003 4:46:32 PM]