AZ has a current huge advantage over all the major vaccines its transportability, requires minimal cooling to keep vaccine active.

This is why its popular across the world, especially warmer climates

AZ are working to modify new vaccines against new variants.

The poorer nations really dont mind where they get a vaccine from

They will if they cant store it cold enough. Also they aren't going to get their contract agreed supples from EU if VDL dares block export.

Just waiting for VDL to trigger the fun:norty:

The EU have never been threatening to block exports completely, just to block exports to countries (UK) who are not playing fair in their distribution!

Looks like the UK has now caved in and will now accept a reduced delivery from AZ so the EU can get more.

The UK hardly needed the AZ from Eu. India is a major supplier and UK itself. Its the Pfizer vaccine coming from Belgium.

I dont see anything about UK offering UK plants to supply Eu until after Contracts have been satisfied.

Has I said before, jealousy of UK. I dont see Eu threatening USA with same arrangements to fulfill domestic vaccines first

If VDL,I say VDL because she doesn't have the backing of countries to block UK, UK will most likely retaliate cutting off base ingredients. It will be many months to scale up production

The UK has exported nothing at all to EU , nothing !

makes some proud to be british

You're forgetting the base materials produced in thr the UK for Pfizer

The American's are proud of their vaccine rollout, as true Brit's are of theirs:thumb:

I blame Maggie Thatch

The EU has also exported almost nothing to the USA, the USA is self sufficient, the UK is not!

The UK placed only a small order with Pfeizer and Moderna and betted heavily on AZ, what the UK is taking from the Pfeizer supply to the EU barely scratches the surface. Pfeizer is by far currently the biggest supply in EU while AZ supplies are quite limited. Moderna have had major production problems and are now only just starting to come online. J&J are now also ramping up production in the EU which as a single dose which doesn't need the cold storage will make a huge impact.

Looks like Johnson has agreed to stop taking AZ from EU as long as the UK still gets its Pfeizer doses! Shame he couldn't have done that in February rather than pursuing his policy of being greedy, then the whole affair could have been avoided! Nobody is going to able to travel and fully open up the economy until all countries have adequate vaccination to suppress the spread of the disease and restrictions can be eased, so greedily vaccinating your own country first is ultimately futile!

Greed is Good , Right ?

This is Boris’s Falklands moment

Maybe from the Argentinian perspective :wonder::lol1:

More like VE day ;)

Device and conquer as ever - we’ve even exported Kent variant for their 3rd wave

I think you need to go and ask the Chinese, why they allowed the virus to escape their borders :lol1:

GSK will manufacture and fill in the UK for their vaccine.

Rumour has it, after the AZ debacle GSK were hesitant to negotiate with the Eu

Evidence of rumour, please.

His mate Bob over on wehatetheeu.angry has a mate who works at GSK!

Can’t wait till folk go back to work

grockles clogging up the roads on the way to the beach

making it impossible travel

👎

This weekend is going to be crazy; I think I'll spend it in the workshop changing the transfer box on my Golf.

Lockdown boredom sightseeing / not having to go to the office is now merging with every other holiday

free parking don’t help

this place was never choc an bloc like this before - even at height any summer day in the past !

Only 2 roads out of town

This should give the EU something to moan about, the UK making its own vaccine. Wonder if Dominic Cummings arranged it during his visit :D

https://news.sky.com/story/up-to-60m...-says-12260230

More bad press for the AZ vaccine, now Canada have blocked it for under 55s over blood clots!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...those-under-55

Germany is also reporting 31 cases of rare CSVT blood clots, all but two cases are Women and all under the age of 65, In some Berlin immunisation centres they have now also stopped vaccinating women under 55.

While I would still say the risks vs benefits are probably worth continuing its use, there certainly seems to be something amiss!

I am starting to think AZ, as a predominantly non-vaccine company, may be starting to wonder if they should ever have entered into the world of vaccines.

[QUOTE=BMWhere?;12102032]More bad press for the AZ vaccine, now Canada have blocked it for under 55s over blood clots!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...those-under-55

Germany is also reporting 31 cases of rare CSVT blood clots, all but two cases are Women and all under the age of 65, In some Berlin immunisation centres they have now also stopped vaccinating women under 55.

While I would still say the risks vs benefits are probably worth continuing its use, there certainly seems to be something amiss![/QUOTE]


:lol1::lol1:

You do realise that the actual percentage is like 0.005% Incidence. Statistically irrelevant.

So you better stop living, driving, opening a can of food. The chances of serious injury is higher :thumb:

[QUOTE=andy97;12102045]Erm, yes! That's why I said it should be continued to be used! :wonder:

[QUOTE=BMWhere?;12102046]There are no ifs or buts about it.

The vaccine has been proved to be safe. Its terrible misfortune for those who have had issues. But they haven't been attributed to the vaccine, they could have had clots for many reasons.


​​​​​Pfizer has a slightly higher reported figure than AZ, but again statistically insignificant

[QUOTE=andy97;12102050]OK Doctor Andy, I'll take your expert word for it and ignore anything the idiots at Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany advise! Thanks for clearing that up :thumb:

[QUOTE=BMWhere?;12102052]The EMA, WHO, MHRA. and lets not forget, the millions of recipients that haven't had thrombosis.

The current stats are 1 incident per 100000 in the UK and 1 per 84000 for Europe.

Statistically insignificant.

Maybe the EU has upset AZ, cant think why :lol1:

Need to edit that...31 cases in 2.7 million!!

Grab 2.7million random people and I bet you will find a number will have underlying issues that would cause a thrombosis.

Finally British news is now highlighting how indoor spread occurs.

Been saying it all along (https://www.scoobynet.com/1061100-co...l )...the plastic dividers, distancing, masks, whatever just buys time indoors. The longer spent inside, the bigger the risk of transmission.

Proven when a quarantine hotel caused transmission from one room to an adjacent room when both doors were opened at the same time.

Now pubs/restaurants are bypassing indoor rules by having marquees. But if closed sided and no through-breeze they are no safer than being indoors.

worth re-linking:https://english.elpais.com/society/2...h-the-air.html