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Heavy Snow in UK
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47071846
UK weather: Severe warning as heavy snow hits Further snow is forecast overnight into Friday, with 5-10cm (2-4in) expected in Wales and south west England. In other parts of southern England, there could be 1-7cm (up to 3in) of snow. No doubt there will be traffic chaos now and all the schools for some inexplicable reason will have to close! When is the UK finally going to realise - snow happens! F***ing deal with it! :wall: |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12043305)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47071846
Seriously, 10cm of snow is "Heavy"? Upto 10cm here is just a light scatter. You'd have to have 50cm overnight before you'd consider it a heavy snowfall! No doubt there will be traffic chaos now and all the schools for some inexplicable reason will have to close! When is the UK finally going to realise - snow happens! F***ing deal with it! :wall: Airports will be fcuked too |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12043305)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47071846
Seriously, 10cm of snow is "Heavy"? Upto 10cm here is just a light scatter. You'd have to have 50cm overnight before you'd consider it a heavy snowfall! No doubt there will be traffic chaos now and all the schools for some inexplicable reason will have to close! When is the UK finally going to realise - snow happens! F***ing deal with it! :wall: |
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The brexit / May panto taking a back seat for couple days to be replaced by this |
I suppose it's what you are used to. People laugh at us because we have such disruption with 10cm of snow, but people in Yakutsk and Omyakon get -40 from November to March and just deal with it, so maybe they are laughing at the US! ;)
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it is funny how everyone is woefully under prepared every time snow hits about the same time every year....
and then complains about it like they've never seen snow in this country before. |
Originally Posted by Ste333
(Post 12043445)
it is funny how everyone is woefully under prepared every time snow hits about the same time every year....
and then complains about it like they've never seen snow in this country before. I can understand in places like Southern Italy or Spain where snow is really unexpected and somewhat of a freak weather phenomenon. But in the UK, snow and icy conditions in Winter are the norm, it happens every year and it should be unexpected to have a winter without any snow. A couple of centimeters of the white stuff and the country grinds to a halt and everyone makes out like its some freak snowstorm in Seville! I really can't understand why winter tyres are not a requirement in the UK like most of central a Northern Europe. (...roll on the standard excuses from people who've never driven with them, that they're not worth it for the couple of days snow and how with AWD you don't need them anyway, blah, blah!) |
well i drove past plenty of struggling lemons this morning on my Rainsports, including a hill that non-one else could get up!!
biggest issue with pukka 'winters' is that they are terrible in anything but icy // snow conditions in general and just turn both cars i have tried them on into understeering numbness.......... i do actually agree about 'winters' in general |
Originally Posted by stockcar
(Post 12043451)
well i drove past plenty of struggling lemons this morning on my Rainsports, including a hill that non-one else could get up!!
biggest issue with pukka 'winters' is that they are terrible in anything but icy // snow conditions in general and just turn both cars i have tried them on into understeering numbness.......... i do actually agree about 'winters' in general When it comes to driving on Snow (which is surprisingly rare here unless I head into the mountains), I've never had a single problem. I carry snow chains in the boot over the winter, but upto now never needed to fit them although that is also down to AWD as friends following in front drive cars have had to stop and put on chains despite the winter tyres. My last few sets have been Pirelli Sotto-Zeros and absolutely faultless! For my driving style, I love the way they handle! Tyre sizes are 235/45R17 with 245/40R18 in Summer. General rule is to drop and inch in wheel size and 10mm from the width, although for UK driving I would probably stick with the same sizes for Summer and Winter. |
We had about 2cm and every school closed. it had pretty much all melted by 2pm but all of the parents had to either take a days holiday or find a baby sitter. its pathetic |
Originally Posted by RobsyUK
(Post 12043463)
We had about 2cm and every school closed. it had pretty much all melted by 2pm but all of the parents had to either take a days holiday or find a baby sitter. its pathetic |
Hardly any but car still struggled to get up the hill near home.
may have to put some slabs in the boot ;) |
All that money spent of technology to predict the weather and they get it so wrong. Where I live was forecast heavy and prolonged snowfall from 6pm last night. Got nothing more than the thinnest of dustings on the grass, nothing settled on roads or pavements/driveways etc. It's utterly pathetic :rolleyes:
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Don't forget to invoice the schools for the day off, just like they'd make a charge if you took the kids out of school for a family holiday :)
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It was a joke from the time they started giving us the snowfall in cm not inches. So 3.9 inches.wow.lol
Mind you pics from over the pond of Niagara Falls were amazing |
Originally Posted by SWRTWannabe
(Post 12043483)
Don't forget to invoice the schools for the day off, just like they'd make a charge if you took the kids out of school for a family holiday :)
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Why are modern cars crap in snow? I give you a modern ‘summer’ tyre at 6mm: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...ec3065ffa.jpeg No sipes(worn away already), no cross-grooves, no M+S rating, useless. They won’t even handle damp, all you have is the circumferential grooves to handle aquaplaning. That’s ignoring the compound which hardens with age far more rapidly due to environmental laws preventing manufacturers using chemicals that keep the rubber from aging (hence why many modern tyres are junk within five years). Now I give you the Pirelli P5 cinturato from the 1980’s: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...5c634b1cf.jpeg Factory fit on Ferraris and Jaguars amongst other 150mph cars of the era...the Pilot Super Sport of its day, like its competitor the Dunlop Aquajet...it’s a tyre designed for our climate, you know, wet and damp...those little sipes actually act as pumps to suck water off the road and squeeze it out into the main grooves, literally drying the road, they are cut deep into the rubber unlike modern tyres that only cut them into the top 2-3mm and once gone just relies on the weight of the car to displace water into the grooves. Then you also have interlinking cross-grooves and a zig-zag circumferential pattern, whilst not optimal for snow, it does give some bite....these tyres were fitted to the Jag back when it was a daily driver and ventured out in all-weathers including snow, despite having a huge heavy engine at the front and RWD, it never got stuck. It didn’t need winter tyres. These days, with most tyres being like the one in the first picture, it’s pretty obvious that you DO need winter tyres. |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 12043549)
Why are modern cars crap in snow? I give you a modern ‘summer’ tyre at 6mm: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...ec3065ffa.jpeg No sipes(worn away already), no cross-grooves, no M+S rating, useless. They won’t even handle damp, all you have is the circumferential grooves to handle aquaplaning. That’s ignoring the compound which hardens with age far more rapidly due to environmental laws preventing manufacturers using chemicals that keep the rubber from aging (hence why many modern tyres are junk within five years). Now I give you the Pirelli P5 cinturato from the 1980’s: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...5c634b1cf.jpeg Factory fit on Ferraris and Jaguars amongst other 150mph cars of the era...the Pilot Super Sport of its day, like its competitor the Dunlop Aquajet...it’s a tyre designed for our climate, you know, wet and damp...those little sipes actually act as pumps to suck water off the road and squeeze it out into the main grooves, literally drying the road, they are cut deep into the rubber unlike modern tyres that only cut them into the top 2-3mm and once gone just relies on the weight of the car to displace water into the grooves. Then you also have interlinking cross-grooves and a zig-zag circumferential pattern, whilst not optimal for snow, it does give some bite....these tyres were fitted to the Jag back when it was a daily driver and ventured out in all-weathers including snow, despite having a huge heavy engine at the front and RWD, it never got stuck. It didn’t need winter tyres. These days, with most tyres being like the one in the first picture, it’s pretty obvious that you DO need winter tyres. Modern tyres are no longer designed to be used all year round as essentially an all year tyre is a compromise - good in the summer and winter but not great in any season. Todays tyres are designed to be swapped with excellent summer tyres for use in the summer and excellent winter tyres for use in the winter. In the end, there is no real reason to not swap tyres. Other than an initial outlay for a second set of rims, there are no real additional costs as you're not wearing out your summer tyres when the winters are fitted, you'll still get the same number of miles on a set of tyres, but the tyres will last twice as long as you're not running them for half the year. |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 12043569)
In the end, there is no real reason to not swap tyres. Other than an initial outlay for a second set of rims, there are no real additional costs as you're not wearing out your summer tyres when the winters are fitted, you'll still get the same number of miles on a set of tyres, but the tyres will last twice as long as you're not running them for half the year. The preservatives used in modern tyres are not up to the job. Hardened rubber doesn’t grip. Stick ‘em on ebay before that happens :thumb: |
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