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78 year old arrested for stabbing a burglar . .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183
A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death. The homeowner discovered two intruders in Further Green Road, Hither Green, south-east London, at about 00:45 BST. One suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the man into his kitchen where a struggle ensued and he was stabbed, Scotland Yard said. The 38-year-old was taken to hospital by paramedics but was pronounced dead at 03:40. The pensioner, who suffered bruising to his arms, has been arrested on suspicion of murder. He remains in custody at a south London police station. Police said they were called to the property over reports of a burglary where they found a man with a stab wound to the upper body. The dead man's next of kin have been informed and a post-mortem examination would take place "in due course", the Met added. The second suspect remains at large. |
Burglar probably fell onto his own screwdriver the idiot. Unless he had the strength of a 12 year old Thai girl and really was overpowered.
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It puts into perspective the idea that in your own home you can use as much force against intruders as is necessary to preserve your life. It's true until you actually do it, then you get arrested.
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Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 12003817)
It puts into perspective the idea that in your own home you can use as much force against intruders as is necessary to preserve your life. It's true until you actually do it, then you get arrested.
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It would never be murder anyway, man slaughter 'at best'. I was told when somebody broke in to our house overnight, if you kill them upstairs, then you're unlikely to even make it to court, if you kill somebody downstairs, then you'll likely have your time in court, as the argument will be that you went downstairs, when you could have stayed up stairs.
In this case, hats off to the pensioner who has taken a scumbag off our streets, if indeed they had broken in and it was in self defence. |
Why is Murder even being mentioned!?! Surely the default possible “should” be manslaughter? By defaulting to murder does that not err on the side that the old man did it on purpose?
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Maybe wasnt a burglary at all
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If it was self defence then he deserves a medal.
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Originally Posted by the shreksta
(Post 12003821)
Police don't have the power to determine who is innocent or guilty hence why they arrested him on suspicion of murder. The courts will determine the outcome, more than likely if only 1 stab wound it will be self defence.
I thought cops could ask CPS what charge, if any, would be appropriate. This will all be dropped PDQ. d |
Originally Posted by scoobypaul_temp
(Post 12003836)
Why is Murder even being mentioned!?! Surely the default possible “should” be manslaughter? By defaulting to murder does that not err on the side that the old man did it on purpose?
Assuming the headline facts are correct and two guys broke in to this old guys house. At some point he ended up in the kitchen with one or both of them, one was stabbed and died. Can you stab someone without the intent of killing them might be the question asked, hence the immediate murder charge, which will no doubt be downgraded, hopefully to no case to answer or whatever the legal term is. I hope he's a resilient old kipper and doesn't die from the stress and worry that is no doubt going to hang over him for the next six months or so. If he needs crowdfunding to get the best defence, I'm in. |
It still needs to be investigated, which it will.
Once all the evidence is gathered (and if enough evidence is there), CPS will be consulted as to what charge (if any) will be laid on him. At the end of the day, a person has died and this can not be simply 'brushed over' as 'he probably deserved it'. |
Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 12003817)
It puts into perspective the idea that in your own home you can use as much force against intruders as is necessary to preserve your life. It's true until you actually do it, then you get arrested.
But if you do, it will have to be investigated as we can't just take your word for it. Otherwise you will end up with loads of dead bodies of folks who were allegedly 'burgling' at the time of their demise. |
He's been arrested on suspicion of GBH.
The police have to ascertain the facts and in the case of unexplained death, they often arrest first then release after. Similar for car accidents where people die. Just around the corner from me and there's been a recent rise in burglaries in the area. Hopefully now there'll be less. |
Must say Felix is correct here (regardless of employer and people’s distaste). Sadly most people in the U.K. are fearful of defending themselves for fear of retribution (which is completely understandable). The whole downstairs/upstairs thing is ridiculous. Anyone own a cat? A dog? Are they noisy through the night. You are entitled to defend life or property as you see fit (your home being broken into is defence of your property). The key thing is your response being reasonable and proportionate. I’m sure Felix will correct me on exact wording. The CPS need cover their bases, the arresting force need cover their bases. The legal system and the police in the U.K. take a slating and I do understand why. All that said for justice to be served all the boxes need the ticked, if they are not ticked criminals use the system against the system. The guy being arrested is wholy right as the victim, so the (alleged) criminal can’t cry unfair/inproper/incorrect procedures were followed. For me an older gent saying “FU” is more understandable than a younger guy. Is an older gent meant to wrestle a younger guy to the ground, subdue him with one arm then call for the police? I’m guessing not. Likewise is the older gent meant to assume he has no right to defend himself and level the playing field? Just a question. |
Originally Posted by Puff The Magic Wagon!
(Post 12003872)
He's been arrested on suspicion of GBH.
The police have to ascertain the facts and in the case of unexplained death, they often arrest first then release after. Similar for car accidents where people die. Just around the corner from me and there's been a recent rise in burglaries in the area. Hopefully now there'll be less. Has it since changed again ? |
Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
(Post 12003862)
An interesting subject - wish I'd studied law.
Assuming the headline facts are correct and two guys broke in to this old guys house. At some point he ended up in the kitchen with one or both of them, one was stabbed and died. Can you stab someone without the intent of killing them might be the question asked, hence the immediate murder charge, which will no doubt be downgraded, hopefully to no case to answer or whatever the legal term is. I hope he's a resilient old kipper and doesn't die from the stress and worry that is no doubt going to hang over him for the next six months or so. If he needs crowdfunding to get the best defence, I'm in. |
If that 78 year old guy does time for this then I want to emigrate.
I am sick and tired of the BS Politically correct brigade leading this country down the toilet where on the one hand you can't do **** to these scumbags all the while they beat up old ladies, rape and pillage and get a there, there! and told not to do it again. The guy was 78 years old FFS and the two scumbags in their 30's went in to his place all tooled up. What's he meant to do? shout "Hey you young ruffian scoundrel please don't hit me" and wait to see what the guy does whilst his mate comes back down to join in the beating? Get this 78 year old chap on stage at the Britain's Got Talent final, so we can all give him a standing ovation! |
Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
(Post 12003862)
An interesting subject - wish I'd studied law.
Assuming the headline facts are correct and two guys broke in to this old guys house. At some point he ended up in the kitchen with one or both of them, one was stabbed and died. Can you stab someone without the intent of killing them might be the question asked, hence the immediate murder charge, which will no doubt be downgraded, hopefully to no case to answer or whatever the legal term is. I hope he's a resilient old kipper and doesn't die from the stress and worry that is no doubt going to hang over him for the next six months or so. If he needs crowdfunding to get the best defence, I'm in. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12003933)
Save your money. If this is as described, and somehow goes to court (which it won't), then no jury is going to convict.
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Originally Posted by Fabioso
(Post 12003930)
If that 78 year old guy does time for this then I want to emigrate.........
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Originally Posted by Felix.
(Post 12003960)
I agree, but it will still have to be investigated to determine the facts about how he died.
Person entered property he had no right or entitlement to be there. Everything else that happened was at his own risk. Another scumbag eradicated |
i have said for years the snowflake loony leftie's are to blame for all this.
for years now it's you can't smack kids, they just get told off for minor crimes.this teaches the child that crime pays and they move on to robbing old people etc, knowing all the long there aint enough places in nick to lock em up because the jails are full of kid fiddlers, next thing you know the kid is 30 and a proper criminal, if that old boy gets time there is something very very wrong with the justice system in the country, |
lol
All we need is nother Duterte to preside , and the country would be paradise on earth right |
Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 12003966)
Person entered property he had no right or entitlement to be there. Everything else that happened was at his own risk.
Another scumbag eradicated What if (for example) other evidence totally conflicts to their accounts? |
Originally Posted by Felix.
(Post 12003981)
Absolutely - but it will still have to be investigated to show that this was the case. At the moment, we only have the home owner's (Mr & Mrs) accounts to say what happened.
What if (for example) other evidence totally conflicts to their accounts? the dead one may have previous for the exact same thing, but I guess they cant report that for example. |
Bailed until early May pending further enquiries apparently.
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Originally Posted by madscoob
(Post 12003968)
i have said for years the snowflake loony leftie's are to blame for all this.
for years now it's you can't smack kids, they just get told off for minor crimes.this teaches the child that crime pays and they move on to robbing old people etc, knowing all the long there aint enough places in nick to lock em up because the jails are full of kid fiddlers, next thing you know the kid is 30 and a proper criminal, if that old boy gets time there is something very very wrong with the justice system in the country, I blame the crazy hate filed right wingers for all of today issues. They clearly smacked their kids too hard and too often, making violence acceptable to them... See anyone can play this silly game. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 12003993)
It amazes me how easy it is to simplify everything down to stupid slogans, and daft hypothesis.
I blame the crazy hate filed right wingers for all of today issues. They clearly smacked their kids too hard and too often, making violence acceptable to them... See anyone can play this silly game. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...44860641f4.gif |
at least the old boy has now been bailed, had to love the picture most papers used of him with a Guinness in each hand, I do hope he gets some advertisement work from this after its all over.
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I would certainly treat the old boy to a pint of the black stuff. :thumb:
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