I just got a tax rebate for £350, then a few weeks later got a letter through the post saying I owe £172. Go figure.

Latest on this is they sent ANOTHER letter, (that makes twelve in total so far), saying he owes £573 in tax from year 2014/5, and need do nothing as they will get it back via tax codes this year.
Still nothing on his fines...

Probably saving it up for xmas ..

got to be something do with the agency work i reckon

I sometimes think they try and hold on to what they owe you for ages, yet you get no interest when they do pay up.

But if you owe them....watch out, fines and then interest!

But you have to ignore them for MONTHS to get that far

Afaik

Nope.
He's had ZERO contact with them. They have NOT asked for any money, NOT informed him he owes anything to them until now, and NOT either sent him a tax return, nor demanded he do one...until he asked THEM for money THEY owe HIM!

And then they write and say yada yada yada, we've "fined" you £900, plus £300, plus £300, plus £100 and you have 30 days to pay it or else... Bullsh!t!

I reiterate:

NO money outstanding that he knew of.
He has ALWAYS been PAYE, so THEIR reponsibility and /or his employers????
He has NEVER been asked to do a tax return.
They have NOT written to him at all over the last five years other than to send him tax codes. NOTHING ELSE.

Well somebody has erred obviously , until actually talk someone there cant see it being resolved

Maybe the tax office have computers with AI now

Reading through this thread:

The HMRC are claiming that he has had two jobs ( at the same time ? ). You need to get the details of this from HMRC - employer, dates etc.

Also you have mentioned Agency work, do you have records of this. Its possible that someone at the agency may have put him down for a job/shift that he didn't do.

Its always an advantage to keep all employment records for when HMRC come a knocking, which they often will if you put a claim in for whatever reason.

Yep, he's kept all employment records.

We are pretty sure he owes tax, something to do with their ineptitude when he changed agencies, but as noted above, they have written and told him the £567 or so will be reclaimed this year by altering his tax code for the year.

As for this other rubbish....we are at a loss.

He did ring right at the start of it, but the lass just told him to write and dispute it all and to fill in a tax return for the year they say he should have done one. Both done.

Update:

Letter accepting his appeal, and cancelling all "fines".

But they insist that he owes £752 from 2014/5.
Since he was and always has been, PAYE, it's either their, orhis employers' mistake.

Yet they want it back in a lump sum before end January and are adding interest until he pays it. :mad:

HMRC: the guys who chase the little guy with threats and punishments for under £1000, yet can't seem to get on top of Google, Starbucks, Amazon, etc etc....
Bunch of contemptibles.:mad:

So was this thread ever going to reach any other conclusion ?

Errrrrrrrrrr, we have no idea. :confused:

We know that HMRC are implaccable with the little man, and answerable to no-one, it would seem, so they COULD have stuck him with "fines" and gone after him for them.

Really...what IS your point?

I think weve established its liable be agency fault , but no , youve established ( confirmed ) its hmrc all along ?

Jeff,

Its a common misconception that if you are PAYE you don't have to fill out a tax return. Its unusual, but not guaranteed.

Often, if you are claiming anything, you are required to fill out a self assessment tax return. It may show no tax due but you are still required to do it.

I think the key here is the agency work he's done. I know loads of people who have been employed by an agency and who have been asked to do a return as they end up effectively having multiple jobs.

Chances are the agency or an employer in that tax year has screwed up and not deduted the correct amount of tax. HMRC should have provided a breakdown of why they think there is underpaid tax.

It might be as simple as his having had the wrong tax code for 2014/15. Thats more common than you'd think. And no, its not your emoployer's responsibility to make sure that is correct, it is the employee's responsibility.

If he can, get your son to pay it and then query the amount. If highlighted what may be key here - they think he had two jobs. Ask them who he was employed by and get a breakdown of what info they have. It should be pretty easy to get an explanation from HMRC. Do remember that this is one of their busiest times of year as the self assessment deadline is 31 Jan.

Everyone needs to be aware that paying the correct amount of tax is their own responsibility. PAYE or not.

Hope you get it sorted :thumb:

I've had employers screw up tax codes many times and then it readjusts over the months, of course but I can see how this would not work if a temp employer screws up!

My bro once had a request for underpaid tax and queried the moneys they were asking for and requested a breakdown, so he could reconcile with his records. They actually found out they had screwed up and they owed him money!

To be fair, it could always go the other way but that's the chance you take, I suppose.

Being PAYE doesn't mean your employer hasn't messed up.
I phoned HMRC at one point to claim back tax against pension contributions as you only get relief automatically on the 20% bracket and have to claim back the rest yourself.
They refunded it then gave me a £6200 bill.
Due to work buyout we were given a substantial sum which made my wage 20% higher for 1 year only and been getting grief since

Well, he's now going to pay it before end of month, I'll tell him that he should request a breakdown.

Why don't they get it back as it was given, in dribs and drabs by altering his tax code? instead they get out the big stick, issue "fines", (which I was almost certain could ONLY be issued by a court), and then claim it back in one go, with interest.:mad:

Surely they must be able to set up some kind of repayment plan, unless he's messed them around a lot already?

HMRC, like Councils can issue fines. Have been able to for years.

Unlikely to be recoverable via tax code amendment because its so late, but has he even asked them if they can do that?

He should be, but I suspect if he's anything like his dad, he'll be expecting them to bend over backwards to suit him :lol1::lol1:

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Fukc off you foreign cnut. :D

The only messing around has been them to him, FOURTEEN letters so far, each one with a different claim in it, what he hasn't paid, what he needs to pay etc etc.

He has rung twice, been OK with them, asked for clarification etc.

They are just @rseholes like the foreign cnut above. :D

lol @ the foreign cnut comment!

Fair enough, I think my brother just called them, was cordial and it was figured out pretty sharpish. They almost as much as admitted at one point that they didn't really know if he owed them or they owed him. Teeny bit messy over there but I kinda miss it (compared to me having to file taxes myself over here).

I still think that if he is skilled enough and polite enough on the phone he must be able to get a payment plan set up. Sounds like a pain but of course calling up all stressed out will get nothing but sh1t back from them.

Yeah, they have admitted over the phone that he couldn't have known to fill out a tax return unless they told him to, and also that he would have no way of KNOWING he was underpaying unless they tell him.

I think they just get out the big stick because they can.