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Old 06 December 2017, 07:14 PM   #1
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Default HMRC @rseholes AGAIN!!!

Had problems with these for my eldest about five years ago.

recently my youngest filled in a claim for PPE at work etc.

They write back saying he's owed nothing.

A week later they write and say he owes THEM money from underpayment, so they are changing his tax code.

And today, they write and say that because he hasn't filed his tax returns, (from 2015), he's got penalties totalling £1500, and has 30 days to pay it, or else!!!!!!!!!

How on EARTH can that be? He's PAYE, always has been since finishing at uni, and starting work, and has never had a tax return sent him to fill in!

What should he do?
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Old 06 December 2017, 07:21 PM   #2
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Ask them for a full audit report of how they reached this figure. You can then trace back through your sons employment history to see if someone has made a mistake with tax codes etc... I've been on the end of HMRC, if you make contact with them it can help stops the clock and you put the onus on them to provide more information.
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Old 07 December 2017, 09:38 AM   #3
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Had problems with these for my eldest about five years ago.

recently my youngest filled in a claim for PPE at work etc.

They write back saying he's owed nothing.

A week later they write and say he owes THEM money from underpayment, so they are changing his tax code.

And today, they write and say that because he hasn't filed his tax returns, (from 2015), he's got penalties totalling £1500, and has 30 days to pay it, or else!!!!!!!!!

How on EARTH can that be? He's PAYE, always has been since finishing at uni, and starting work, and has never had a tax return sent him to fill in!

What should he do?
He needs to rung them asap, and explain that he's never been self employed. Does he have his p60 certificates from 2015?
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Old 07 December 2017, 09:46 AM   #4
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HMRC are really annoying.


They keep telling me I need to pay £X amount in NI contributions every month, so I do. Only to get a letter every 6 months saying I've not paid enough, and I owe £x amount + interest.


Then I paid my corporation Tax. I get a letter months later saying I paid to much, so I'll get a cheque for the over payment. Only to get a letter a few days later saying I owe the exact amount they've just sent me a cheque for. Bonkers!
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Old 07 December 2017, 10:35 AM   #5
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It's nearly all computer generated. If you call them they're really helpful - just stay calm on the phone
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Old 07 December 2017, 10:45 AM   #6
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If he has to fill one in and hasn't its his fault , simple !
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Old 07 December 2017, 11:05 AM   #7
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It's nearly all computer generated. If you call them they're really helpful - just stay calm on the phone
I agree! I expected them to be the ultimate bureaucrats but they were fantastic.Sorted my problem while on the phone directly updating my records as we spoke & received my over payment within 5 days. Really good.
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Old 07 December 2017, 11:52 AM   #8
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One things is for certain , theyll never give up once theyre into you
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Old 07 December 2017, 12:48 PM   #9
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If he has to fill one in and hasn't its his fault , simple !
Why would he have to, unless a) he's been self-employed? (he hasn't),
or b) they sent him one and told him to, (they didn't).

ALL his employment, froma age 16, has been PAYE taxed. He worked his way through 6th form at Wickes, and through university summers for national employers doing DIY store renovations. ALWAYS PAYE'd.

And he paid his tax, then they gave it him back since he never earned more than his allowance.

Try not to be an @rsehole in everything, dpb, just because you lost the referendum, you've become very bitter....
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Old 07 December 2017, 12:51 PM   #10
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Probably a clerical error alcazar, there is no reason for him to fill in a return otherwise.
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Old 07 December 2017, 01:45 PM   #11
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Has he ever rang them up ??!!



I hope he's not taken your lead on brexit and just given them the finger

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Old 07 December 2017, 05:44 PM   #12
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he works 12 hour shifts, 6-6, so is waiting his days off.
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Old 07 December 2017, 05:57 PM   #13
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Mate of mine wasnt allowed his heart attack as an excuse for late submission , so....
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Old 07 December 2017, 07:20 PM   #14
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You aren't reading my posts properly, or are you just on a wind up again, like your stance on Brexit?

There is no reason why he should have filled in a tax form. he's always been PAYE, always paid what they asked.

They have never sent him any form to fill in.

His shift patterns are the reason he can't ring them until he's days off.

Please try and keep up.
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Old 07 December 2017, 07:58 PM   #15
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Oh well , don't let it concern you . Just leave it till next year and come back start another thread Again

No doubt theyre just on a wind up !
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Old 07 December 2017, 09:36 PM   #16
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i had a dealing with hmrc many moons ago saying i do over a grand in tax

so iphoned them and quoted ref number and once guy came on the phone and i stated i am PAYE thro the company that employed me and how could i owe tax

so end of converstaion and never heard nothing again
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Old 07 December 2017, 11:40 PM   #17
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Too easy , bit like meekly paying your speeding ticket when youre caught going too fast
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Old 07 December 2017, 11:56 PM   #18
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It's nearly all computer generated. If you call them they're really helpful - just stay calm on the phone
I was on hold for over an hour, stay calm???
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Old 08 December 2017, 07:24 AM   #19
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Oh well , don't let it concern you . Just leave it till next year and come back start another thread Again

No doubt theyre just on a wind up !
You really are an @rsehole, aren't you?

And here was me thinking you were just a bit of a nutter.....
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Old 08 December 2017, 11:06 AM   #20
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Hows that then ?

im just stating the obvious
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Old 08 December 2017, 01:27 PM   #21
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Nope. You are either on a wind-up, or really are the @rsehole you come over as.
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Old 08 December 2017, 02:07 PM   #22
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Has he attempted online conversation
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Old 08 December 2017, 02:20 PM   #23
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Has he attempted online conversation
If his online communication skills are as good as his fathers, that will end well . .
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Old 08 December 2017, 05:49 PM   #24
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He's rung them.

They say he owes tax...HOW, when he's always been PAYE?

They say he hasn't filled in a self assessment...WHY SHOULD HE when he's always been PAYE and they have NEVER asked him to do so?

They insist he once had two jobs and only paid tax on one of them...nonsense. He's either been in work, through an agency, or out of work.

So now he has to fill in a self assessment form, which we've tried to do online, but just too many hoops to jump through, and the last line of logging in was elsewhere, (passport etc), as he no longer lives here.

HMRC: not fit for purpose. They lose £millions a year from people who don't pay huge sums, and yet will chase the little guy from pillar to post.
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Old 08 December 2017, 05:50 PM   #25
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If his online communication skills are as good as his fathers, that will end well . .
And you can **** off as well...how's THAT for communication?
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Old 08 December 2017, 05:55 PM   #26
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Does not this sound like a dodgy employer - ie Tellin him hes employed whereas actually self emp.....?

You have register for online , takes few days / week get auth . code Then its easy
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Nope...unless you think British steel and the Finnish Stainless producers are dodgy?

And his payslips always showed tax.
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Old 09 December 2017, 07:59 AM   #28
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It might sound like a ball ache... and it is tbh, but you can make an appointment and go and see them... or at least you used to be able to, then just take all the physical evidence with him and sit down face to face and run through it with them... I ended up doing this about 10yrs ago and ended up with a nice little cheque.

Presuming he has kept all his payslips, I still have my payslips some going back almost 20yrs and my business accounts, which are over 10yrs old... Mrs keeps trying to throw them out but I always say no bloody chance... exactly for reasons like these.
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Old 09 December 2017, 11:59 AM   #29
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Come back let us know what they said

its not exactly automatic to become self emp

So, clerical error , dodgy employer or his own dodgy memory
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Not his memory, I'd have known too, as he's only moved out this October.

One of the other two, I think. But I suspect them....they smokescreen. Five years ago, my eldest claimed back some tax from money he'd earned while on summer break from uni. They wrote back to say his tax paid was £843.47, but he'd UNDERPAID by....wait for it....£843.47 the previous year, so nothing was due.
We wrote back, basically saying [email protected], prove it.

And he got his cheque for £843.47 about eight weeks later.

This whole thing has been triggered because the youngest claimed for PPE for the last four years.... Threy may just be trying to hang onto it for another few months.

I'll update this as soon as I know.
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