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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11977277)
road deaths in the US in 2012 - 33,782
Murders carried out by guns - 8,897 So if guns should be banned guess where all walking and carrying stuff cos road deaths are 5 times more. |
Originally Posted by Torquemada
(Post 11977269)
Ever heard of the term 'correlation does not equal causation'? Because that seems to be the route you are travelling and seems to be behind your general way of thinking.
Just come out and say it. What do you think the issue or hidden motive or connection is here, then? The motives behind them both are still unknown, whilst in other mass killings the motives are known quite quickly. Mental health could be applied to just about every murder that ever took place. All would take a ‘mental’ episode in some form or another to have one person in such a state as to kill another. The ability in the US to solve problems with a weapon that’s so readily available is the problem. Trump, like every other president before him is wrong not to blame gun culture as it’s clearly the reason behind many mass shootings every year. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977280)
Both were premeditated. Both had clear cut victims, their locations, the times, the amount of people in one place at one time.
The motives behind them both are still unknown, whilst in other mass killings the motives are known quite quickly. Mental health could be applied to just about every murder that ever took place. All would take a ‘mental’ episode in some form or another to have one person in such a state as to kill another. The ability in the US to solve problems with a weapon that’s so readily available is the problem. Trump, like every other president before him is wrong not to blame gun culture as it’s clearly the reason behind many mass shootings every year. You didn't realy read anything in my other post saying that mental health is pretty much the same here as other places in the world, so is not as much of a factor as previously thought, did you :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977280)
Both were premeditated. Both had clear cut victims, their locations, the times, the amount of people in one place at one time.
The motives behind them both are still unknown, whilst in other mass killings the motives are known quite quickly. I do wish you'd just spell it out |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977278)
But you put measures in place to decrease road deaths.
funny how people dont want to give up their nice and comfortable cars eh ;) |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11977299)
that's irrelevant, if calls are being made to ban guns because of deaths and road deaths are significantly more then there should be significantly more calls to ban cars than guns.
funny how people dont want to give up their nice and comfortable cars eh ;) what are the primary function and intended use of cars? what are the primary function and intended use of guns? How many people own/use cars, compared to owners/users of guns? is the management of, control of, access to, regulation of and maintenance of guns as highly administered for guns as it is for cars/trucks? It's flawed to equate guns to cars purely on the basis that they can both cause death. |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11977299)
that's irrelevant, if calls are being made to ban guns because of deaths and road deaths are significantly more then there should be significantly more calls to ban cars than guns.
funny how people dont want to give up their nice and comfortable cars eh ;) |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11977299)
that's irrelevant, if calls are being made to ban guns because of deaths and road deaths are significantly more then there should be significantly more calls to ban cars than guns.
funny how people dont want to give up their nice and comfortable cars eh ;) Billions and billions are spent year in year out to enhance road safety, crash protection, pedestrian crossings etc to prevent death as much as possible. What measures are put in place to prevent gun deaths? Surely one measure would be to control more vigorously the sale of assault rifles?. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977280)
....Trump, like every other president before him is wrong not to blame gun culture as it’s clearly the reason behind many mass shootings every year.
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Originally Posted by Dr Hu
(Post 11977468)
I don't know - Obama at least tried - he genuinely shed a tear over some of the mass shootings that happened on his watch, but he got drummed down by the Legislature and NRA
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Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977280)
Both were premeditated. Both had clear cut victims, their locations, the times, the amount of people in one place at one time.
The motives behind them both are still unknown, whilst in other mass killings the motives are known quite quickly. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977448)
Putting measures in place isn’t just about banning something outright.
Billions and billions are spent year in year out to enhance road safety, crash protection, pedestrian crossings etc to prevent death as much as possible. What measures are put in place to prevent gun deaths? Surely one measure would be to control more vigorously the sale of assault rifles?. But it needs more than just looking at assault rifles. Suicides and accidental deaths through handguns is a massive killer in the US. The whole thing needs looking at but I don't think people should all have their guns taken away. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11977280)
Both were premeditated. Both had clear cut victims, their locations, the times, the amount of people in one place at one time.
The motives behind them both are still unknown, whilst in other mass killings the motives are known quite quickly. Kwik, not got anything to say? What do you think it means that some motives are known and published and others are not? |
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