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Brun 04 July 2016 02:30 PM

Electrical socket help....
 
I have replaced pretty much every socket in the house with these.....


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...db8190365.jpeg

The only socket left visible is this one which is for the water pump in the bathroom.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...264edf8e4.jpeg

Obviously due to the electrical regs, I can't just swap it for a fused spur which are easily available in the black nickel colour so I want to find one of these which is a least in keeping with the rest of the house. This be my problem. I can't for the life of me find anything which comes close. Any thoughts?

JDM_Stig 04 July 2016 03:27 PM

is there a RCD on the circuit that feeds this pump spur ?

cookstar 04 July 2016 03:51 PM

http://www.screwfix.com/p/13a-30ma-d...ion-unit/40097

Any good?

hodgy0_2 04 July 2016 03:55 PM

they do version of those sockets with inbuilt USB ports - pretty handy

royals8088 04 July 2016 04:18 PM

You must check the bonding on every socket. The new socket faces are now metal? If so you must bond from the socket to the back box if that is also metal. 1.5mm2 is all that is required from socket to box, 2.5mm2 is the norm

Brun 04 July 2016 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11854868)
they do version of those sockets with inbuilt USB ports - pretty handy

I have a few :thumb:

Brun 04 July 2016 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by cookstar (Post 11854864)

No - I want the black nickel look :thumb:

Brun 04 July 2016 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by royals8088 (Post 11854885)
You must check the bonding on every socket. The new socket faces are now metal? If so you must bond from the socket to the back box if that is also metal. 1.5mm2 is all that is required from socket to box, 2.5mm2 is the norm

Bond????????

Brun 04 July 2016 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by JDM_Stig (Post 11854851)
is there a RCD on the circuit that feeds this pump spur ?

I guess - this is the main fuse box for the house and the second from the right will turn the power off.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...1d4b2f422.jpeg

JDM_Stig 04 July 2016 07:24 PM

You need a new consumer unit more than posh looking accessories!

The Pink Ninja 04 July 2016 07:25 PM

Why is there no rcd for shower/cooker etc?

johned 04 July 2016 07:27 PM

+1 above and sooner rather than later.

b3nmw 04 July 2016 08:08 PM

Is there an rcd else whether other than the consumer unit. I reckon u could die with a consumer unit change

b3nmw 04 July 2016 08:08 PM

Do not die( stupid predictive text)

Brun 04 July 2016 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by The Pink Ninja (Post 11854998)
Why is there no rcd for shower/cooker etc?

No power shower :thumb:

As for the cooker - none of these switch it off :eek:
The cooker is in the extension (built before we moved in) so there could be another consumer unit.

Just had a look behind the cooker and there is a big mother of a wire coming from it which disappears into the wall. Tomorrows mission will be to find the end of it :D

JDM_Stig 04 July 2016 08:37 PM

take picture of where the meter is and any other consumer units you have in the extension.

Osimabu 04 July 2016 08:53 PM

It might be worth contacting the manufacturers of your metallic sockets (not the suppliers) and seeing if they can help you.

But I suspect that your best bet is going to be to bring the wiring up to modern standards and you may find you don't need the fused spur with the trip any longer.

However, I am not an electrician.

ALi-B 04 July 2016 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Brun (Post 11854989)
Bond????????

After looking at the consumer unit, this is even more essential to have a earth wire on the socket face plates.

I know it sounds like we're being anal but that comsumer unit needs to go. The bright side means you can have the RCD or RCBO in the consumer unit so you can then fit a matching spur.

Brun 04 July 2016 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by JDM_Stig (Post 11855046)
take picture of where the meter is and any other consumer units you have in the extension.

The meter is outside and it's pissing it down :D
No more consumer units in the extension.
It looks to me that the big mother of a wire leads straight back to the consumer unit so I guess it goes to the fuse which is behind the plastic cover to the right of the unit :thumb:

Brun 04 July 2016 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by ALi-B (Post 11855075)
After looking at the consumer unit, this is even more essential to have a earth wire on the socket face plates.

I know it sounds like we're being anal but that comsumer unit needs to go. The bright side means you can have the RCD or RCBO in the consumer unit so you can then fit a matching spur.

Yep - all of the sockets / switches have an eat her wire to the face :thumb:

JDM_Stig 04 July 2016 09:32 PM

you need to replace the Consumer Unit asap
If you drill a cable or the lawn mower chews up the extension lead then you have no RCD to trip, you are trusting the overload protection to go to cut the supply, or it keep shocking you,
a RCD will disconnect within 4ms so the length of shock is much shorter( if its tested and working!)
that Consumer Unit you have installed is a like having drum brakes on a 600 bhp track car imo.

Brun 04 July 2016 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by JDM_Stig (Post 11855098)
you need to replace the Consumer Unit asap
If you drill a cable or the lawn mower chews up the extension lead then you have no RCD to trip, you are trusting the overload protection to go to cut the supply, or it keep shocking you,
a RCD will disconnect within 4ms so the length of shock is much shorter( if its tested and working!)
that Consumer Unit you have installed is a like having drum brakes on a 600 bhp track car imo.

Forgive my lack of knowledge - those breaker things are not rcds?

johned 04 July 2016 09:56 PM

Please do not take this personally but it is obvious you are not a qualified electrician and are messing with things you do not understand so for your safety and your family please get a qualified electrician.

JAY2DRE 04 July 2016 10:15 PM

You need to get a electrician round to do a zs (earth loop impedance) test to make sure your earth is adequate otherwise if a socket develops a fault it will stay live until someone touches it!!

Brun 04 July 2016 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by JAY2DRE (Post 11855121)
You need to get a electrician round to do a zs (earth loop impedance) test to make sure your earth is adequate otherwise if a socket develops a fault it will stay live until someone touches it!!


Originally Posted by johned (Post 11855110)
Please do not take this personally but it is obvious you are not a qualified electrician and are messing with things you do not understand so for your safety and your family please get a qualified electrician.

Not really messing - replacing a few sockets is my lot although the earth test sounds like a good shout :thumb:

JAY2DRE 04 July 2016 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Brun (Post 11855131)
Not really messing - replacing a few sockets is my lot although the earth test sounds like a good shout :thumb:

Definitely worth is mate as you don't have a rcd

JDM_Stig 04 July 2016 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by Brun (Post 11855103)
Forgive my lack of knowledge - those breaker things are not rcds?

No resettable fuses, and very old at that, thesework from thermal overload, so need there to be a short or high current demand to disconnect the supply,
Rcd's sense an imbalance in the phases and disconnect a lot quicker,


As mentioned get a qualified electrician in to change the one you have,
They will also check your earthing is all up to date to things like the incoming gas and water.

Brun 04 July 2016 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by JDM_Stig (Post 11855153)
No resettable fuses, and very old at that, thesework from thermal overload, so need there to be a short or high current demand to disconnect the supply,
Rcd's sense an imbalance in the phases and disconnect a lot quicker,


As mentioned get a qualified electrician in to change the one you have,
They will also check your earthing is all up to date to things like the incoming gas and water.

:thumb:

jaygsi 04 July 2016 11:15 PM

Don't need any 12v spot lights do you?

Brun 05 July 2016 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by jaygsi (Post 11855156)
Don't need any 12v spot lights do you?

Not that I know of - why?


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