panama leaks
So those in the know, other than the leak itself which is suposedly a hack, have any crimes actualy been commited, or is it playing the system/systems?
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11818008)
So those in the know, other than the leak itself which is suposedly a hack, have any crimes actualy been commited, or is it playing the system/systems?
Who knew!!!!! A "bears sh1t in the woods" story |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11818021)
The rich and powerful play by different rules
Who knew!!!!! A "bears sh1t in the woods" story Using the system and breaking the law are two very different things |
iv sailed into the bitter end ( bvi) 1986 -didn't seem that bad to me :D
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11818028)
yeah this is what i dont get, people seem to want to be outraged by it, but 99.99999% would do it if they had the ability to.
Using the system and breaking the law are two very different things The icelandic prime minister resigned because although Icleand had capital controls (it limits the amount of money you can take out of the country) he squirrelled money away Same with the Chinese, same with all the dictators around the world The Panama lawyers may say THEY are not breaking the law, and technically they may not be - according to the jurisdiction they operate under I,e Panama law This is not about a few rich individuals doing a bit of canny tax planning It is about global money laundering on an astronomical scale With the nexus fairly pointed at the UK - most of these dodgy places are UK protectorates |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11818008)
So those in the know, other than the leak itself which is suposedly a hack, have any crimes actualy been commited, or is it playing the system/systems?
Whether any of it can or ever will get proved in a court of law is obviously a different story though. |
Just slap a 50% tax / close down protectorates
Loss to local economy- nothing like what's mooted - these people aernt sailing their with their loot ! It'll never happen though because without this sort of allure, like flogging off half Belgravia , uk economy would collapse |
I don't see how this is even news, Shock Horror, Rich and powerful, criminals and politicians squirrel money away in off shore accounts to avoid taxes, I mean seriously, really seriously, are there still people out there that did not know about this. :wonder:
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How will the shipping cope? :D
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It's certainly a no s*** Sherlock story. The media are loving it, but I'm like "is this news?" I suppose it proof, but nothing of these leaked/hacked documents has been properly publicised so yet again we rely on the media's interpretation of it combined with their own opinion and skew.
I mean this Cameron bollocks, so what? His rich long-dead dad stashed some cash a few decades a ago, that assuming it is his Dad and not someone with the same name (you never know). It's not news. It's not important. Now if it was some Prime ministers who have squirrelled away a few million whilst touting on the hunt for tax avoiders (note avoiders, not those illegally evading it), that would be something. But all we have so far is hot air and warm farts. Must be a slow news week. |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11818021)
The rich and powerful play by different rules
Who knew!!!!! A "bears sh1t in the woods" story |
Laws have been broken, plenty of them.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11818120)
Nah they don't, the play by the same rules everyone else does. They just play them better.
it will be interesting what the US state dept have to say - they get pretty pissed of with money laundering etc what interesting is people (with some justification) complain about the corruption in these developing countries usually in the context of "aid" - why should we give blah blah blah yet we (UK PLC) are at the very heart of providing the mechanisms by which these dodgy dictators steal the wealth from their countries then we complain when the peoples of these countries want to come here for a better life re Cameron - yeah so what, but it does give up the lie "that we are all in this together" |
I read a good one about Cameron earlier today, can't remember where but it pointed out him slating Jimmy Carr for tax avoidance yet saying nothing about his own father.
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This rich person hatred being exacerbated by the despicable Labour Party is going to lead to a sticky end.
The level playing field angle is getting tiresome now. |
Just can't get this tune out of my head... You're welcome! :lol1:
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Protests in London today.
Well well well. Look at all those people who don't work on Saturdays (if at all ) :rolleyes: Where was I? At work...like they should be... |
Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11819031)
Protests in London today.
Well well well. Look at all those people who don't work on Saturdays (if at all ) :rolleyes: Where was I? At work...like they should be... |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11819034)
Ummmmmm, why? :wonder:
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Yeah. On top of a lot of more far important things that's closer to home (if I can call it that anymore). I wish I could "afford" that lavish luxury of time and funds to protest in the capital.
Kinda of fed up of the newer generation of protesters protesting at everything and anything. Maybe it's justified, buts it's probably not...has a law been broken? (Yet) No. They are almost as bad as the rich fat cats themselves (especially if they can afford to live in London) Some need to get over it and get back to work and do something properly beneficial to society ...assuming they have a job and aren't career left wing layabouts :) Bitchy mode is now off. So I'll shut up now :razz: |
office worker neil , by any chance ?
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
(Post 11819076)
Yeah. On top of a lot of more far important things that's closer to home (if I can call it that anymore). I wish I could "afford" that lavish luxury of time and funds to protest in the capital.
Kinda of fed up of the newer generation of protesters protesting at everything and anything. Maybe it's justified, buts it's probably not...has a law been broken? (Yet) No. They are almost as bad as the rich fat cats themselves (especially if they can afford to live in London) Some need to get over it and get back to work and do something properly beneficial to society ...assuming they have a job and aren't career left wing layabouts :) Bitchy mode is now off. So I'll shut up now :razz: I know your feeling, I am in the same kind of boat and doing over 100hrs a week at the moment to sort it. Don't let people get to you! |
Originally Posted by dpb
(Post 11819078)
office worker neil , by any chance ?
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
(Post 11819082)
Chin up Ali,
I know your feeling, I am in the same kind of boat and doing over 100hrs a week at the moment to sort it. Don't let people get to you! Sometimes it gets tough to stay optimistic. What I'd like to see is the government doing something that benefits you and me. Not the demands of media and mouthy left wingers. For me that would be less crippling demands on small business (less than five employees), be it tax or operational overheads (like the time and cost it incurrs with the changes to payroll and pensions), rates, rules, regs. Etc. Proper infrastructure investment on new roads, putting China in its place, the right to aggressively defend property, proper jails, proper punishments. Total overhaul of the insurance industry. Get the UN (with support and funding of EU as a whole) to annex part of Syria and Lybia to create a safe zone and plonk the asylum seekers back over there. Etc.etc. The PMs tax affairs fall pretty much at the bottom of that long long list. Hence my annoyance at the media and protesters. |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11818141)
I don't agree - as JackClark says a lot of what has been going on is simply criminal
it will be interesting what the US state dept have to say - they get pretty pissed of with money laundering etc what interesting is people (with some justification) complain about the corruption in these developing countries usually in the context of "aid" - why should we give blah blah blah yet we (UK PLC) are at the very heart of providing the mechanisms by which these dodgy dictators steal the wealth from their countries then we complain when the peoples of these countries want to come here for a better life re Cameron - yeah so what, but it does give up the lie "that we are all in this together" The David Cameron angle I do not get. He paid all the tax owed on his earnings. Even independent tax specialists who looked at it say there is nothing untowards. |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 11819560)
I do not think the US government will say anything considering it looks likely that they orchestrated the data breach.
What is your source |
Was announced by wikileaks......
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ah yes
I had heard there was a bit of infighting between WikiLeaks and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (who got the papers) a murky business |
Originally Posted by mrtheedge2u2
(Post 11819575)
Was announced by wikileaks......
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11818141)
I don't agree - as JackClark says a lot of what has been going on is simply criminal
it will be interesting what the US state dept have to say - they get pretty pissed of with money laundering etc what interesting is people (with some justification) complain about the corruption in these developing countries usually in the context of "aid" - why should we give blah blah blah yet we (UK PLC) are at the very heart of providing the mechanisms by which these dodgy dictators steal the wealth from their countries then we complain when the peoples of these countries want to come here for a better life re Cameron - yeah so what, but it does give up the lie "that we are all in this together" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35998801 |
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