What does it take to get reliable 500whp?
Hi guys & girls
I know this type of question gets asked often and I have used the search function to take a look at the various options but as with most things, it's just easier to ask the question and look at the answers :thumb: So, quick background, I'm a Brit living in Canada and I've got an itch I want to scratch, and that itch is to build a nice 22b replica. I have procured a nice 2.5RS coupe and have had some metal wide arch wings/fenders sent out to me so the car part is sorted. As for the engine, as the title says, I'd like to have reliable 500whp but the end figure isn't massively important. I thought as a good start point, an EJ22T engine would be good, so I have just got one of them. I have been offered a deal on a stroker kit from an engine guy across here who is known to build some good engines. So, first question, do you think this is a good way to go? Second, what are the best heads to use in this build? The question of turbo to use seems to be very subjective. My thought process is I'd like something that spools up reasonably quickly but past that, I need more advice! I will be looking to start a build thread but thought I would get it started here as I'm guessing there will be various ideas/suggestions :D I look forward to your thoughts :thumb: |
A few initial of the top of head thoughts
1. Build it for 600whp. Then map it for 500whp 2. Closed Deck block 3. The quality of the Machine work is as important as the build 4. Look at it holistically and build a car, not an engine. The Suspension, Braking, Drive train and Engine should all work well together. 5. How will you use it? Track? Road? Drive it hard, carefully ect? and build for that too. So I would sit down and think about how you will use it and spec out the car as a package not just the engine. |
Speak with EngineTuner or Nick at Advanced.
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500wbhp is uk flywheel so 500bhp is pretty second hat nowadays.
But thats said, what are your plans for it? track car, road car? have you ever driven a 500bhp car before? |
What do you need for a reliable 500hp?
Money. Lots of it. |
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11807298)
500wbhp is uk flywheel
So, we're talking 500hp at the wheels, which given the efficiency of Subaru's all wheel drive system, requires roughly, 610-640 at the crank (not exact figures as there are arguments on the efficiency question ;)) So how does that equate to 500hp flywheel figure?? |
Originally Posted by Steve Whitehorn
(Post 11806972)
A few initial of the top of head thoughts
1. Build it for 600whp. Then map it for 500whp That's a good idea and makes sense :thumb: 2. Closed Deck block So, got that with the EJ22T block 3. The quality of the Machine work is as important as the build Again, makes sense, hence I'm going to use the guy who has offered me the stroker kit as he has a good reputation over here 4. Look at it holistically and build a car, not an engine. The Suspension, Braking, Drive train and Engine should all work well together.I will be doing this, I just wanted to get going with ideas on the engine 5. How will you use it? Track? Road? Drive it hard, carefully ect? and build for that too.It will be a combination of those things other than driving it carefully! I will bear all that in mind as well ;) So I would sit down and think about how you will use it and spec out the car as a package not just the engine. |
Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
(Post 11807430)
What do you need for a reliable 500hp?
Money. Lots of it. |
Originally Posted by Rbon91
(Post 11807431)
Just read the whole lot, start to finish!! :eek: Man, you change your mind a lot :lol1: Good to see that is similar to what I'm thinking about. Think I might end up 'borrowing' some of your ideas :thumb: |
Another quick question to ask, what are the best heads to use on this build?
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Originally Posted by Dazzles Fiesti
(Post 11807542)
Another quick question to ask, what are the best heads to use on this build?
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Originally Posted by Dazzles Fiesti
(Post 11807541)
Nice one Ryan, thanks for the link.
Just read the whole lot, start to finish!! :eek: Man, you change your mind a lot :lol1: Good to see that is similar to what I'm thinking about. Think I might end up 'borrowing' some of your ideas :thumb: Give me a shout if you need any help pal. Just remember the little things add up massively. Fuel fittings, braided fuel lines, stuff like that. New clutch and fly wheel has just cost me £900. Ryan |
The following got me 666bhp on 99ron + 20% meth
EJ22T block EJ257 79mm nitrided crank Wiseco stroker pistons Crower stroker rods ACL main and big end bearings Cosworth 12mm high flow oil pump 14mm head stud conversion avcs heads ported and knife edge polished 1mm oversize Cosworth Inlet and Exhaust valves supertech titanium retainers supertech double valve springs supertech valve seats 272 inlet and exhaust cams Adjustable exhaust cam pulleys Kevlar timing belt cosworth billet timing belt guide Cosworth high flow inlet manifold bespoke top feed fuel rails Injector dynamics 2000cc Injectors Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump fuelab -10 fuel filter SM swirl pot walbro 255lph lift pump braided clutch line Exedy hyper twin plate clutch RCM 100mm trumpet RCM 260mm Induction cone Inner wing induction box with 76mm feed to foglight Beatrush gearbox stabiliser STi engine mounts GT spec headers 3.5" rotated down pipe 44mm tial external wastegate Roger clark return to sump catch can Braided teflon fuel hoses Scoobyclinic Garrett Billet GT35R Custom header tank STi 1.3bar header tank cap 2007 UK long ratio DCCD 6 speed gearbox R180 3.54 plated diff Bespoke braided engine loom Roger clark lightened pulleys DEI Titanium turbo blanket Omni power 4bar map sensor Odyssey PC680 battery Fuel lab 3 port fuel pressure regulator Power steering reservior relocation kit twin scroll baffled sump Syvecs S6 PNP ecu with 8 maps, Anti lag, Launch control. flat foot shifting and nos control STi quickshift ASH silicone hoses Summit racing radiator flow panel 3.5" veilside titanium exhaust wideband lambda fuelling control NGK Racing 8 spark plugs New age coil pack conversion Reverse mounted radiator fans Turbosmart 3 port boost solenoid White ceramic coating on all exhaust pipework NGK racing 8 spark plugs Millers CRX 75w140NT gear oil Aeroquip power steering hoses Hyperflow monster intercooler |
Jeez Banny that like as long as a shopping list for Tescos :eek: except a can of beans cost £800 a loaf of bread £150 toilet rolls £300 etc etc ;)
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Originally Posted by Dazzles Fiesti
(Post 11807538)
How do you work that out?
So, we're talking 500hp at the wheels, which given the efficiency of Subaru's all wheel drive system, requires roughly, 610-640 at the crank (not exact figures as there are arguments on the efficiency question ;)) So how does that equate to 500hp flywheel figure?? |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11807298)
500wbhp is uk flywheel so 500bhp is pretty second hat nowadays.
But thats said, what are your plans for it? track car, road car? have you ever driven a 500bhp car before? No mate, 500wbhp is at the wheels no matter where you are. Flywheel hp is a calculation from the dyno, Wheel hp is a direct measurement. So if you're after 500 @ the wheels you're looking at 560+ fly |
Originally Posted by 12sec1/4
(Post 11808114)
No mate, 500wbhp is at the wheels no matter where you are.
Flywheel hp is a calculation from the dyno, Wheel hp is a direct measurement. So if you're after 500 @ the wheels you're looking at 560+ fly |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11808829)
ok you carry on then :thumb:
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Tidgy is having an RS moment.
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metric and imperial HP are different ;)
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11808957)
metric and imperial HP are different ;)
Go on then, got any information? |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower
http://www.kylesconverter.com/power/...ric-horsepower The second one is a quick calculator that shows the difference but if you type in 500, the metric equivalent is 506.93! So,not a lot of difference!! But I'm pretty sure we use the same BHP here as you guys do? :wonder: I'll endeavour to find out anyway :thumb: |
Originally Posted by Dazzles Fiesti
(Post 11809115)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower
http://www.kylesconverter.com/power/...ric-horsepower The second one is a quick calculator that shows the difference but if you type in 500, the metric equivalent is 506.93! So,not a lot of difference!! But I'm pretty sure we use the same BHP here as you guys do? :wonder: I'll endeavour to find out anyway :thumb: you'd be gutted if you got 500 metric and not imperial ;) |
Originally Posted by Tidgy
(Post 11809231)
you'd be gutted if you got 500 metric and not imperial ;)
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I've just been over on the NASIOC website, section factory 2.5's, re a thread, 'experiences of a Blouch 440xt on a '12 wrx'.
Contributions come from '09, '11, '14 year wrx's with this turbo. Figures quoted range from 344 to 365 whp. Metric or Imperial that converts to nearly 440hp at the crank. You wouldn't run that sort of power on standard wrx's here without serious risk of engine damage, so either the US 2.5 is specced a lot better than the UK or we aren't reading from the same sheet. Trev |
So, I'm just bringing this up from the dead as I'm actually starting to talk with a friend about building this engine.
Other than the spec from Banny there wasn't much technical information on a good route to go? My guess would be a lot of guys have built motors since I first asked so would be very interested in specs and results if you don't mind? Many thanks :thumb: |
Originally Posted by 12sec1/4
(Post 11808114)
No mate, 500wbhp is at the wheels no matter where you are.
Flywheel hp is a calculation from the dyno, Wheel hp is a direct measurement. So if you're after 500 @ the wheels you're looking at 560+ fly |
To the OP. Please ignore RaggedRaggy, it's a second account for a well known forum troll Fawor who knows nothing and just comes on here to abuse people. Hopefully all his posts will get deleted again today and this new account too.
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Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
(Post 12036358)
To the OP. Please ignore RaggedRaggy, it's a second account for a well known forum troll Fawor who knows nothing and just comes on here to abuse people. Hopefully all his posts will get deleted again today and this new account too.
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