Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11892244)

Who's going to pick the potatoes from the UK fields, though? It's hard work for the UK's native people, you know. They put on yellow jackets only once in a blue moon to clean the colony, and get their cheesy picture done with the mayor, for show. If you have to do this sort of job day in and day out, then I'm not too sure.

:idea: Perhaps we'll put those Indians to use that turn up here with a mango in one hand and coconut in another. :thumb: :D

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11892172)

Yeah.

Labour leader Mr. Corbyn has also changed his tune after decades of his resentment towards the EU; his incongruence on the matter that became one of the major issues for his party members, when he had to face the party leadership re-election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...early-election

Now he and his party would vote against article 50, if Britain doesn't get access to single market!

I mean, how short-sighted and 'have your cake and eat it' some people can be, eh! In order to gain something, you have to give something. That's the bottom line. Corbyn should have known it better; rather than being stuck in the past, and Brexit mobilising politicians should have also thought long and hard about this 'accessing single market' business. Not enough thought and no plan has put this Brexit-Brexit-Brexit in a state of a limbo. TM is just people pleasing with her 'Brexit means Brexit'; trying to fortify her party's chances in the next election. Hope it all pans out in Britain's best interest. Otherwise, we will see the surge not only in the Indian and Chinese foreigners, but also in the moaners who think that these foreigners will be here to take over Britain. One goes, another one turns up! F***ing hell, man! What kind of strategy is that- to please people, eh? :lol1:

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892245)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...5c88511f18.jpg


:thumb::thumb:

Originally Posted by Turbohot (Post 11892250)

Wow! Why didn't I think of that! That's cool.

My worry is that when the machines start to take over, we can start moaning at them as well for taking our jobs. There's no end to it, to be honest.

Anyway, hope Brexit means Brexit. That's all we can wish for.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11892248)

The problem that the remain campaign had to overcome - and ultimately failed to

Was the inherent hypocrisy of it - especially with it being led by Cameron

Cameron/ Osborne where guilty throughout their time in parliament of peddling myths, half-truths and simple lies about the EU

Of buying into the anti EU mantra that came day in day out from 90% of the UK press - whether it had any merit or not

The EU was used a pawn in the political Westminster game - a game for one thing, and that is power

The EU was like the girl that is told repeatedly she is ugly, to the point that even she believes it


May - a supposed remainer peddled the myth on the NHS health tourism - a myth that the figures simply do not support simply because it support her own political agenda

Everyone in the establishment knew Boris Johnson spent his early years as a Telegraph EU correspondent making up stories about straight bananas/cucumbers, that EU was forcing us to change our chocolate to “vegelate”

“Then came the biggest whopper of all: “Delors plan to rule Europe” ran a front-page headline in the Sunday Telegraph in May 1992, just ahead of the Danish referendum on the Maastricht treaty. Nobody could follow that except to say it was untrue, and based on thin ideas floated at a casual briefing, but denials came too late for Danish voters, who said “no”. Many attribute that to Johnson’s story.

Rebutting a Johnson myth was a thankless task and the commission itself was powerless to fight back “because what we said wasn’t funny”, as one spokesman put it at the time. Refuting the condoms story, one spokesman resorted to profanity, telling the Sun it was “bull****”. “Otherwise,” he said, “I’d never have got my point of view in.”

Johnson’s half-truths created new reality, as I discovered while trying to untangle council directive 73,241, which set out rules on quantities of vegetable fat versus cocoa fat. Because Britain used more vegetable fat than other countries, a lowly official suggested Britain call its chocolate “vegelate”: hence the myth. There was no serious plan and no compulsion. It was what Johnson himself might describe as “piffle”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ro-myth-brexit

But over the years the mud stuck, and a large section of the remain camp (Cameron et al) were guilty of either actively throwing the mud – or enabling it by simply standing by and saying nothing to defend the EU where it was required

So they simply came over as hypocrites – the public saw thru them

And the EU was fatally flawed in many people eyes, and brought zeto benefit to the UK – which we know now not to be true because the UK government had to underwrite the Nissan deal

So it was not even a matter of weighing up the pros and cons (the EU is not perfect and off course there are cons, the question is/was “do the outweigh the pros”)

but all we got was the cons

But we live in a post truth world

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892251)

Were living in the industrial revolution again :thumb:

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11892248)

The problem that the remain campaign had to overcome - and ultimately failed to

Was the inherent hypocrisy of it - especially with it being led by Cameron

Cameron/ Osborne where guilty throughout their time in parliament of peddling myths, half-truths and simple lies about the EU

Of buying into the anti EU mantra that came day in day out from 90% of the UK press - whether it had any merit or not

The EU was used a pawn in the political Westminster game - a game for one thing, and that is power

The EU was like the girl that is told repeatedly she is ugly, to the point that even she believes it


May - a supposed remainer peddled the myth on the NHS health tourism - a myth that the figures simply do not support simply because it support her own political agenda

Everyone in the establishment knew Boris Johnson spent his early years as a Telegraph EU correspondent making up stories about straight bananas/cucumbers, that EU was forcing us to change our chocolate to “vegelate”

“Then came the biggest whopper of all: “Delors plan to rule Europe” ran a front-page headline in the Sunday Telegraph in May 1992, just ahead of the Danish referendum on the Maastricht treaty. Nobody could follow that except to say it was untrue, and based on thin ideas floated at a casual briefing, but denials came too late for Danish voters, who said “no”. Many attribute that to Johnson’s story.

Rebutting a Johnson myth was a thankless task and the commission itself was powerless to fight back “because what we said wasn’t funny”, as one spokesman put it at the time. Refuting the condoms story, one spokesman resorted to profanity, telling the Sun it was “bull****”. “Otherwise,” he said, “I’d never have got my point of view in.”

Johnson’s half-truths created new reality, as I discovered while trying to untangle council directive 73,241, which set out rules on quantities of vegetable fat versus cocoa fat. Because Britain used more vegetable fat than other countries, a lowly official suggested Britain call its chocolate “vegelate”: hence the myth. There was no serious plan and no compulsion. It was what Johnson himself might describe as “piffle”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ro-myth-brexit

But over the years the mud stuck, and a large section of the remain camp (Cameron et al) were guilty of either actively throwing the mud – or enabling it by simply standing by and saying nothing to defend the EU where it was required

So they simply came over as hypocrites – the public saw thru them

And the EU was fatally flawed in many people eyes, and brought zeto benefit to the UK – which we know now not to be true because the UK government had to underwrite the Nissan deal

So it was not even a matter of weighing up the pros and cons (the EU is not perfect and off course there are cons, the question is/was “do the outweigh the pros”)

but all we got was the cons

But we live in a post truth world

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11892248)

The problem that the remain campaign had to overcome - and ultimately failed to

Was the inherent hypocrisy of it - especially with it being led by Cameron

Cameron/ Osborne where guilty throughout their time in parliament of peddling myths, half-truths and simple lies about the EU

Of buying into the anti EU mantra that came day in day out from 90% of the UK press - whether it had any merit or not

The EU was used a pawn in the political Westminster game - a game for one thing, and that is power

The EU was like the girl that is told repeatedly she is ugly, to the point that even she believes it


May - a supposed remainer peddled the myth on the NHS health tourism - a myth that the figures simply do not support simply because it support her own political agenda

Everyone in the establishment knew Boris Johnson spent his early years as a Telegraph EU correspondent making up stories about straight bananas/cucumbers, that EU was forcing us to change our chocolate to “vegelate”

“Then came the biggest whopper of all: “Delors plan to rule Europe” ran a front-page headline in the Sunday Telegraph in May 1992, just ahead of the Danish referendum on the Maastricht treaty. Nobody could follow that except to say it was untrue, and based on thin ideas floated at a casual briefing, but denials came too late for Danish voters, who said “no”. Many attribute that to Johnson’s story.

Rebutting a Johnson myth was a thankless task and the commission itself was powerless to fight back “because what we said wasn’t funny”, as one spokesman put it at the time. Refuting the condoms story, one spokesman resorted to profanity, telling the Sun it was “bull****”. “Otherwise,” he said, “I’d never have got my point of view in.”

Johnson’s half-truths created new reality, as I discovered while trying to untangle council directive 73,241, which set out rules on quantities of vegetable fat versus cocoa fat. Because Britain used more vegetable fat than other countries, a lowly official suggested Britain call its chocolate “vegelate”: hence the myth. There was no serious plan and no compulsion. It was what Johnson himself might describe as “piffle”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ro-myth-brexit

But over the years the mud stuck, and a large section of the remain camp (Cameron et al) were guilty of either actively throwing the mud – or enabling it by simply standing by and saying nothing to defend the EU where it was required

So they simply came over as hypocrites – the public saw thru them

And the EU was fatally flawed in many people eyes, and brought zeto benefit to the UK – which we know now not to be true because the UK government had to underwrite the Nissan deal

So it was not even a matter of weighing up the pros and cons (the EU is not perfect and off course there are cons, the question is/was “do the outweigh the pros”)

but all we got was the cons

But we live in a post truth world

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892245)

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...5c88511f18.jpg


:thumb::thumb:

Originally Posted by neil-h (Post 11892285)

I could be wrong but I reckon a dozen eastern Europeans are probably cheaper.

Originally Posted by dpb (Post 11892306)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-court-on-day/

Be ready with your soggy tomatoes , you should be able to spot them

( not many of them , relatively )

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892327)

Interesting,

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/vo...cars-in-china/

Originally Posted by Geezer (Post 11892330)

In what way? It's going to retain its EU plants, and it's going to build cars for other markets in Chine, the country of origin on the owning company.

If you think it's interesting that a Chinese company is actually building mainstream cars, fair enough, but I don't see that it has much to do with the EU discussion?

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892332)

Isn't the US volvo's biggest market? So moving the main production away from the EU

Originally Posted by trails (Post 11892334)

This made me chuckle...feels familiar :D


http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-leave-voter-british-law-caller/

Originally Posted by trails (Post 11892334)

This made me chuckle...feels familiar :D


http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-leave-voter-british-law-caller/

Originally Posted by On-the-bog (Post 11892289)

depends if your paying them above minimum wage

Originally Posted by neil-h (Post 11892358)

Or if you give them a nice little bedsit to live in and some food to eat.

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11892248)

The problem that the remain campaign had to overcome - and ultimately failed to

Was the inherent hypocrisy of it - especially with it being led by Cameron

Cameron/ Osborne where guilty throughout their time in parliament of peddling myths, half-truths and simple lies about the EU

Of buying into the anti EU mantra that came day in day out from 90% of the UK press - whether it had any merit or not

The EU was used a pawn in the political Westminster game - a game for one thing, and that is power

The EU was like the girl that is told repeatedly she is ugly, to the point that even she believes it


May - a supposed remainer peddled the myth on the NHS health tourism - a myth that the figures simply do not support simply because it support her own political agenda

Everyone in the establishment knew Boris Johnson spent his early years as a Telegraph EU correspondent making up stories about straight bananas/cucumbers, that EU was forcing us to change our chocolate to “vegelate”

“Then came the biggest whopper of all: “Delors plan to rule Europe” ran a front-page headline in the Sunday Telegraph in May 1992, just ahead of the Danish referendum on the Maastricht treaty. Nobody could follow that except to say it was untrue, and based on thin ideas floated at a casual briefing, but denials came too late for Danish voters, who said “no”. Many attribute that to Johnson’s story.

Rebutting a Johnson myth was a thankless task and the commission itself was powerless to fight back “because what we said wasn’t funny”, as one spokesman put it at the time. Refuting the condoms story, one spokesman resorted to profanity, telling the Sun it was “bull****”. “Otherwise,” he said, “I’d never have got my point of view in.”

Johnson’s half-truths created new reality, as I discovered while trying to untangle council directive 73,241, which set out rules on quantities of vegetable fat versus cocoa fat. Because Britain used more vegetable fat than other countries, a lowly official suggested Britain call its chocolate “vegelate”: hence the myth. There was no serious plan and no compulsion. It was what Johnson himself might describe as “piffle”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ro-myth-brexit

But over the years the mud stuck, and a large section of the remain camp (Cameron et al) were guilty of either actively throwing the mud – or enabling it by simply standing by and saying nothing to defend the EU where it was required

So they simply came over as hypocrites – the public saw thru them

And the EU was fatally flawed in many people eyes, and brought zeto benefit to the UK – which we know now not to be true because the UK government had to underwrite the Nissan deal

So it was not even a matter of weighing up the pros and cons (the EU is not perfect and off course there are cons, the question is/was “do the outweigh the pros”)

but all we got was the cons

But we live in a post truth world

Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11892346)

this one is quite good too

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...s-up-tear-son/


I pointed out on another forum, that I suspect some people will end up blaming the politicians (a bit of a cope out if I am totally honest) but I think the reasons are highlighted in my post upthread