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Noris8322 20 December 2015 02:39 PM

HDi Hybrid Gt2 FMIC - What a loada crap!!
 
Spent the last couple of weekend trying to fit this sack of crap HDI Fmic kit to my v3 sti.
After hanging the intercooler and f*cking about with that, none of the metal pipes kit fits!!
The pipe from the turbo that goes towards the inner wing hit everything on the way through! Master cylinder & water pipe from back of the block. To make things worse it ends up pointing at the abs pump so you cant get the other pipe on it.
That links to the intercooler on the drivers side will fit with a bit of trimming of the front panel etc
The pipe from the inlet manifold is a joke, hits the oil filler, fuel pipes, air con pipes & battery.
Passengers side of the intercooler, the pipe is wedged against the cam belt cover and squeezed in the bottom rad hose and putting pressure on the radiator outlet.

Kinda feel like I've been stitched up with this crappy kit, I would expect it from an ebay kit not a 500 quid kit that everyones been raving about

Anyone else had similar issues? How did you get round it? Either that or anyone wanna buy this sack of crap??

JGlanzaV 20 December 2015 02:47 PM

Fitted one to my glanza and had the exact same issues. Crap fit, crap brackets, crap pipework etc etc etc!

Also with the starlet if you mount it with their supplied brackets it sits so far out that you end up with 3mm of bumper left on the bottom!

Paben 20 December 2015 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Noris8322 (Post 11773365)
Spent the last couple of weekend trying to fit this sack of crap HDI Fmic kit to my v3 sti.
After hanging the intercooler and f*cking about with that, none of the metal pipes kit fits!!
The pipe from the turbo that goes towards the inner wing hit everything on the way through! Master cylinder & water pipe from back of the block. To make things worse it ends up pointing at the abs pump so you cant get the other pipe on it.
That links to the intercooler on the drivers side will fit with a bit of trimming of the front panel etc
The pipe from the inlet manifold is a joke, hits the oil filler, fuel pipes, air con pipes & battery.
Passengers side of the intercooler, the pipe is wedged against the cam belt cover and squeezed in the bottom rad hose and putting pressure on the radiator outlet.

Kinda feel like I've been stitched up with this crappy kit, I would expect it from an ebay kit not a 500 quid kit that everyones been raving about

Anyone else had similar issues? How did you get round it? Either that or anyone wanna buy this sack of crap??


When I fitted a HDI FMIC to a Bug it wasn't exactly a straightforward job but nothing like this. Not much of an advert either if you're hoping someone will buy it off you! :Suspiciou

edsel 20 December 2015 05:52 PM

Fitted one to my v2 the ops description sound about right. I thought the poor fit was due to the top inlet td05. Angle grinder essential. It's been on the car nearly two years now. Most of the pipes and clips have been replaced with decent silicone and quality clamps. The clashing pipework has been cut and silicone joiners put in, a vain attempt to stop it clashing with oil filler neck, battery and turbo actuator. I now have issues with pipes blowing off under boost. I'm saving up for a bead roller, they're nearly £100 :brickwall.
The cooler core itself works ok though.

edsel 20 December 2015 06:03 PM

Double post

Kedlestone 20 December 2015 06:17 PM

Handy info to know, was thinking of getting one of these...

Rbon91 20 December 2015 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Kedlestone (Post 11773455)
Handy info to know, was thinking of getting one of these...

What power you aiming for mate? I have a GT2 on my blob reversed inlet manifold and flipped core. Made pipework myself. But most specialists will say how crap the cores are. I'm looking at buying a garret core and making my own end tanks etc

Ryan

Jaysz 20 December 2015 09:44 PM

I bought mine when first released all pipes fitted ok
Quality kit inlet temps only rise few degrees from cruising to boost

Noris8322 20 December 2015 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Kedlestone (Post 11773455)
Handy info to know, was thinking of getting one of these...

Mines on a classic, so don't be too put off, i've not heard anything bad about the newage kits


Originally Posted by Rbon91 (Post 11773490)
What power you aiming for mate? I have a GT2 on my blob reversed inlet manifold and flipped core. Made pipework myself. But most specialists will say how crap the cores are. I'm looking at buying a garret core and making my own end tanks etc

Ryan

Not going for massive power but reaching the limit of the standard top mount


Originally Posted by Jaysz (Post 11773541)
I bought mine when first released all pipes fitted ok
Quality kit inlet temps only rise few degrees from cruising to boost

I've always been told that they're on of the best reasonably priced kits, but never thought I would be having this sort of issues.
I've fitted the Autobahn kit to a mates car, had a few issues but nothing like this

my94wrx 20 December 2015 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by edsel (Post 11773440)
Fitted one to my v2 the ops description sound about right. I thought the poor fit was due to the top inlet td05. Angle grinder essential. It's been on the car nearly two years now. Most of the pipes and clips have been replaced with decent silicone and quality clamps. The clashing pipework has been cut and silicone joiners put in, a vain attempt to stop it clashing with oil filler neck, battery and turbo actuator. I now have issues with pipes blowing off under boost. I'm saving up for a bead roller, they're nearly £100 :brickwall.
The cooler core itself works ok though.


this is the very reason i fitted the kit that was specifically designed for the 92/96 impreza (cant remember the make off hand) it didn't need any hacking of the inner wing, minimal trimming of the front and does not hang out of the bottom of the bumper like the others do,
as for the bead roller can you make one your self out a pair of old mole grips to save a few ££.

edsel 20 December 2015 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by my94wrx (Post 11773558)
this is the very reason i fitted the kit that was specifically designed for the 92/96 impreza (cant remember the make off hand) it didn't need any hacking of the inner wing, minimal trimming of the front and does not hang out of the bottom of the bumper like the others do,
as for the bead roller can you make one your self out a pair of old mole grips to save a few ££.

I've seen a couple of YouTube vids of modified pliers used to make pipe heads. I'm interested in seeing yours

Jaysz 20 December 2015 10:27 PM

I've always been told that they're on of the best reasonably priced kits, but never thought I would be having this sort of issues.
I've fitted the Autobahn kit to a mates car, had a few issues but nothing like this[/QUOTE]
Mine kit is for v3 all pipework fitted
Only part found tricky was trimming bumper

Noris8322 21 December 2015 01:44 AM


Originally Posted by Jaysz (Post 11773569)
Mine kit is for v3 all pipework fitted
Only part found tricky was trimming bumper

I knew what to expect with the bumper trimming so brought myself an air saw just for this job. Mine must be a friday afternoon pipe work kit then, it could be made to fit but would require a lot of trimming on the front panel and the odd dimple in the pipes to clear everything but I can see it being a constant headache further down the road

I've had an old APS intercooler kit tucked away in the back of my garage for a couple of years, so I dug it out this afternoon and started laying it out on the car. Everything lines up perfectly, no trimming of anything! So its not like my cars out of shape or been smashed in the past! If only I'd tried fitted this HDi kit last year when I brought it, I'd have sent it straight back and rammed it right up their a*se!
The core is a work of art, but the pipework looks like something you'd find on eBay!

banny sti 21 December 2015 08:32 AM

The core is good quality (ran a newage HDI core to 530bhp) but yes pipework is poor at best, lots of trimming and cutting. would be easier to have your own pipework made.

Tidgy 21 December 2015 08:38 AM

Typical of cheap kits, even if the core is solid fitment is wank

JDM_Stig 21 December 2015 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Tidgy (Post 11773630)
Typical of cheap kits, even if the core is solid fitment is wank

insightful as normal John.

Jaysz 21 December 2015 09:09 AM

They could of changed pipework then
Have u left all clips loose so would give some room to move pipes about before tightening

jayallen 21 December 2015 09:36 AM

I bought one from Harvey many years ago with supplied powder coated pipes. By the time I had finished chopping the pipes the powder coating was severely scratched!

I also had to cut the pipe to the TB in two and add a joiner because it was completely the wrong shape.

edsel 21 December 2015 10:42 AM

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edsel 21 December 2015 10:43 AM

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edsel 21 December 2015 10:50 AM

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edsel 21 December 2015 10:55 AM

The silicone joints on the turbo entry blow off under high boost. Hence the need for a bead roller/swager.

edsel 21 December 2015 11:00 AM

When I get the time I'm considering turning the cooler upside down and redirecting the pipes under the head lights

bustaMOVEs 21 December 2015 04:23 PM

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Give over man, it's not a easy job mind but once you get it right it fits, I only had to chop down passenger pipe down a bit behind radiator as was fouling bonnet and filler cap, couple inches off and is now perfect.
The core mounting position has got to be right too, a bit of blood sweat and tears and it's fine.
I havnt tested mine at high boost yet to see if joiners blow off but I'll cross that when it happens.

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Steve Whitehorn 21 December 2015 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by edsel (Post 11773677)
The silicone joints on the turbo entry blow off under high boost. Hence the need for a bead roller/swager.

Various silicone hoses and clips have been replaced on mine. As a general tip, a short term solution.

If any of you find hoses are constantly blowing on track, esp ones that have a bit of oil in them a get out of jail old school solution is to clean off and line the silicone joiner and the hose with talcum powder.

bustaMOVEs 21 December 2015 05:28 PM

What about a bit of glue on the joiners?

mickywrx 21 December 2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by edsel (Post 11773669)

Nice and clean. :thumb:

It's hard to tell, but, it looks like you've done similar to at the turbo outlet.

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edsel 21 December 2015 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Whitehorn (Post 11773814)
Various silicone hoses and clips have been replaced on mine. As a general tip, a short term solution.

If any of you find hoses are constantly blowing on track, esp ones that have a bit of oil in them a get out of jail old school solution is to clean off and line the silicone joiner and the hose with talcum powder.

Steve: Hi we met briefly at Lydden Hill, I was driving a white RA. Oil in the cooler was part of the problem; since that photo was taken it now has a catch can fitted. I took the pipe work and cooler off and flushed it through with degreaser. I was only getting oil coming up through the cold side and its the turbo side the hoses blow off.

Micky: Your install is almost identical to mine, I'm now using murray clamps too but on the track they still separate. At one stage I had four clamps holding the top join together but all it did was blow off at the next joint.

Buster: I thought about using contact adhesive after someone suggested I use hairspray. All the joints are close to the turbo and get very hot. I was concerned about catching fire.

Another clash issue I had with the HDI pipes was the bonnet vent bolt rubbing on the cold pipe, more grinding! I disagree with your get over it statement I had to grind too close to the main chassis rail to get the bottom lower pipe to get close to get a half decent fit. The supplied silicone and clamps are poor quality.

mickywrx 21 December 2015 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by edsel (Post 11773892)
Micky: Your install is almost identical to mine, I'm now using murray clamps too but on the track they still separate. At one stage I had four clamps holding the top join together but all it did was blow off at the next joint.

Do you know anyone that welds? They could tig your hose joints for you so the clamps have something to seat against.

Or modify some mole grips.

edsel 21 December 2015 09:37 PM

http://www.jjcraceandrally.com/race/...-tubing-beader


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