Originally Posted by DJ Dunk
(Post 11714597)
Having spent 7 months in a NICU recently, I've seen babies born at 24 weeks. One couple that we got to know quite well now have their baby at home who is doing very well. Yes, they needed a lot of major medical intervention and had lots of subsequent issues, but those babies were very much more than a collection of developing cells. They were babies, human beings; strong enough to fight and continue their lives.
Sadly, we also experienced those for whom the fight was too much, but I'm left with no doubt in my mind that at 24 weeks they are very much viable, very much alive, very much a baby in the truest sense. |
In my experience (I'm not a medical practitioner, just someone who's experienced premature births) their sense of 'awareness' can be apparent from as little as 20 weeks, some may say sooner.
A sense of existence is a little more hard to define and I don't think bears any relevance to the subject, personally. From what I've experienced, 24 weeks is a baby. Not every organ is fully prepared for life on the outside, but it's unquestionably an aware, living being. |
Total support of abortion.
The right to self-determination and body autonomy of the mother must take precedence over all other factors. 24 weeks is a reasonable timeframe - 5 months is more than enough time to make up your mind. |
Originally Posted by Beef
(Post 11714833)
Total support of abortion.
The right to self-determination and body autonomy of the mother must take precedence over all other factors. 24 weeks is a reasonable timeframe - 5 months is more than enough time to make up your mind. |
Allowing for 8 weeks to 'confirm' the pregnancy, what sort of person needs another 16 to settle on a termination?
It wouldn't be unreasonable to halve the current time, however more than 18 seems unjustifiable to me. Can people really be that indecisive, particularly as regards a decision of this type? |
Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11715046)
Allowing for 8 weeks to 'confirm' the pregnancy, what sort of person needs another 16 to settle on a termination?
It wouldn't be unreasonable to halve the current time, however more than 18 seems unjustifiable to me. Can people really be that indecisive, particularly as regards a decision of this type? |
Terminations for real medical reasons can take longer as some tests may come back as being inconclusive etc and need to be repeated or further specialist advice needed.
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when my wife was pregnant with our 3rd and then 4/5 (twins), she was in her mid/later 30's
so we went privately to the "Fetal Medicine Centre" in London to have an early nuchal scan, (I think 8 odd weeks, may have been twelve) http://www.fetalmedicine.com/nuchal-scan you get the results in minutes no test is 100% but we felt it was worth it |
Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11715046)
Allowing for 8 weeks to 'confirm' the pregnancy, what sort of person needs another 16 to settle on a termination?
It wouldn't be unreasonable to halve the current time, however more than 18 seems unjustifiable to me. Can people really be that indecisive, particularly as regards a decision of this type? |
Originally Posted by Dingdongler
(Post 11715084)
Terminations for real medical reasons can take longer as some tests may come back as being inconclusive etc and need to be repeated or further specialist advice needed.
Originally Posted by Lisawrx
(Post 11715129)
What happens to a woman that didn't know she was pregnant until quite far along?
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11715079)
Maybe most people (fortunately) aren't quite as callous as you are?
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
(Post 11715140)
8 weeks is 2 missed menstruations. How many do you need, three for luck? As for the daft bints starving themselves who have irregular cycles, perhaps they should routinely take pregnancy tests if active.
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx
(Post 11715148)
There are various contraceptives which (can)stop periods, including the one I am on. I agree, we could all take regular pregnancy tests if active, but in reality, you just don't. Rightly or wrongly, you just assume the contraception will work, especially if it has been, long term so far.
Lisa are you telling me you wouldn't notice the physical changes of being, say, 4 or 5 months pregnant?? |
Originally Posted by Devildog
(Post 11715234)
Lisa
are you telling me you wouldn't notice the physical changes of being, say, 4 or 5 months pregnant?? 4/5 months, I would imagine would be very possible if the likes of morning sickness was absent. Not every woman puts on a lot of weight during pregnancy, so could be forgiven for just thinking they were just putting a little on, without considering being pregnant as the reason. Again, I'm not saying this is something common, I haven't got figures to support one way or another, but I do know people that have only found out they were pregnant quite far along, also one person who fell pregnant with both her children while using the implant as a form of contraceptive. Bodies are funny things..... |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11713797)
I'm well aware of that, but it's only one or two blokes, and that's it!
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
(Post 11715364)
It's not even that.... We keep it in box and pass it around on request. :)
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Originally Posted by Devildog
(Post 11715234)
Lisa
are you telling me you wouldn't notice the physical changes of being, say, 4 or 5 months pregnant?? |
Originally Posted by Ooperbum
(Post 11715433)
10 yeats ago a girl in our village gave birth. She didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labour. She was 14 at the time.
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How odd.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11796305)
How odd.
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What on earth? :wonder:
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I reckon a spam bumped this thread up yesterday, and then others commented on it from #109. Spam post must have been vaped. Or may be, alcazar mistakenly thought that it was the Police thread.
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11796446)
I reckon a spam bumped this thread up yesterday, and then others commented on it from #109. Spam post must have been vaped. Or may be, alcazar mistakenly thought that it was the Police thread.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11796493)
Yeah that was my assumption, Alcazar doesn't strike me as the thread bumping type. :lol1:
Anything is possible, when it comes to Sir alcy :cool:, you know. I wouldn't be surprised. :D |
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