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ScoobLou 04 May 2015 01:15 PM

Dark Web - Silk Road
 
Hi All

Thought this was an interesting read:

www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1


Seems you can get anything you want without leaving you living room as although Silk Road has gone there is always another picking up where they left off.

Turbohot 04 May 2015 03:39 PM

Good one, Scooblou. Will give it a read. :thumb:

john banks 04 May 2015 04:14 PM

Interesting read thanks. Looking forward to part 2.

ScoobLou 04 May 2015 07:24 PM

I came across it as I was watching the documentary on the Hatton Garden robbery.

One guy mentioned the Dark Web.

Have to say it fascinates me!

JackClark 04 May 2015 11:29 PM

Download Tails and have a look around. Nothing wrong with window shopping.

https://tails.boum.org

www.reddit.com/r/darknetmarkets is a good starting point.

ScoobLou 05 May 2015 11:53 AM

Yeah had a quick look with a vpn and tor installed.

You name it, seems you can get it :D

markjmd 05 May 2015 01:35 PM

Speaking as someone who works in the general field of Internet security and decryption technologies, I'd probably advise against anyone spending too much time lurking around places like Tor (for the same reasons I'd advise against anyone hanging around any physical location that's commonly frequented by the shadier types in society).

JackClark 05 May 2015 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11675961)
Speaking as someone who works in the general field of Internet security and decryption technologies, I'd probably advise against anyone spending too much time lurking around places like Tor (for the same reasons I'd advise anyone hanging around any physical location that's commonly frequented by the shadier types in society).

What's the increased threat over using the www? How is browsing suw74isz7wqzpmgu.onion worse than www.wikileaks.com?

markjmd 05 May 2015 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11676046)
What's the increased threat over using the www? How is browsing suw74isz7wqzpmgu.onion worse than www.wikileaks.com?

Pretty much answered already in my previous comment. It's not whether individual URLs are more or less risky, it's the general fact that for the very reasons you or SoobLou find it interesting or curious, Tor has a far greater concentration of users on it who are up to no good, and with that comes a greater abundance of malware, scammers, weirdos, real-life criminals, not to mention the various cops and other authorities trying to keep tabs on all of the former, and who are likely to think you're deliberately associating with them, or attempting to. It's hard to see how anyone in their right mind could recommend you expose yourself to that kind of environment unnecessarily.

JackClark 05 May 2015 07:51 PM

I don't see any signs of an increased exposure to malware and do talk from experience, 12 years working in Security out of the industry for a good while now. You could say that the more good people use it the lower the ratio of bad, but that's not a very good argument either. Use tails and don't order hitmen and you're quite likely safer than posting on Scoobynet.

ScoobLou 05 May 2015 08:30 PM

Hold on this is all being thrown out of proportion.


I just found that article interesting.


If you have enough savvy you can check out the dark web without getting into trouble with the police or getting malware.


Just use your common sense.


I would say the normal internet is just as bad if not worse than the dark web.

JackClark 05 May 2015 08:54 PM

Check out https://openbazaar.org I love the concept, it doesn't have to be shady.

markjmd 05 May 2015 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11676199)
I don't see any signs of an increased exposure to malware and do talk from experience, 12 years working in Security out of the industry for a good while now. You could say that the more good people use it the lower the ratio of bad, but that's not a very good argument either. Use tails and don't order hitmen and you're quite likely safer than posting on Scoobynet.

What I can say, I'm in the industry right now, and I know for a certain fact that the dark web has become the last refuge of pretty much every low-life using the internet, be that scam-artists and professional criminals of different stripes, malware purveyors and producers, kiddy-porn peddlers, terrorists, you name it, they're there. If that's the kind of people you want to mix with, knock yourself out, I won't lose any sleep over it. As for me personally, I far prefer to leave all that well behind me when I go home from the office at night.

ScoobLou 05 May 2015 10:51 PM

OMG lighten up!

warrenm2 05 May 2015 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by ScoobLou (Post 11676334)
OMG lighten up!


Err, or maybe he is well aware of the risks and is passing on relevant info...?!

dpb 06 May 2015 02:09 AM

Can it really be worse than landing awkwardly in computer related only to be mugged by an apple salesman.?




( don't answer that )

JackClark 06 May 2015 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11676287)
What I can say, I'm in the industry right now, and I know for a certain fact that the dark web has become the last refuge of pretty much every low-life using the internet, be that scam-artists and professional criminals of different stripes, malware purveyors and producers, kiddy-porn peddlers, terrorists, you name it, they're there. If that's the kind of people you want to mix with, knock yourself out, I won't lose any sleep over it. As for me personally, I far prefer to leave all that well behind me when I go home from the office at night.

There are still plenty of the people you mention on the www, should we avoid that too? If you follow my advice and use Tails or similar you are at less risk than visiting a porn site on the www. What you're talking about is an image problem not a risk, plenty of the great and good use TOR and the less people that tar it as you're doing the better it will become.

The Pink Ninja 06 May 2015 03:48 PM

Same can be said about going down the pub these days, lol

mrtheedge2u2 08 May 2015 02:51 PM

Some parts of the story are not accurate e.g. how they obtained the i.p. address etc....it looks like non-legal methods were used to discover this....

Norman Dog 08 May 2015 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by ScoobLou (Post 11675307)
Hi All

Thought this was an interesting read:

www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-1


Seems you can get anything you want without leaving you living room as although Silk Road has gone there is always another picking up where they left off.

I wonder how long Ross is looking at when they sentence him? :wonder:

Knowing the Septic's, probably life without parole. :(

ScoobLou 21 May 2015 06:12 PM

part 2 if anyone interested:

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-2/

john banks 21 May 2015 06:51 PM

Thanks.

Graz 22 May 2015 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by markjmd (Post 11675961)
Speaking as someone who works in the general field of Internet security and decryption technologies, I'd probably advise against anyone spending too much time lurking around places like Tor (for the same reasons I'd advise against anyone hanging around any physical location that's commonly frequented by the shadier types in society).

Unless you want to buy some drugs of course https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.sco...109bc0d01a.gif :D

Norman Dog 23 May 2015 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by ScoobLou (Post 11675890)
Yeah had a quick look with a vpn and tor installed.

You name it, seems you can get it :D

Yup, if you want to poke around those places, a good VPN is a must. ;)

JackClark 23 May 2015 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Norman Dog (Post 11686176)
Yup, if you want to poke around those places, a good VPN is a must. ;)

The only possible use of a VPN might be if you're not allowed to connect to the internet or TOR without one, I'd say it's worse as you've now told the VPN that you're connecting to TOR. Just use TAILS. Some info here https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/i...html#index20h2

Norman Dog 24 May 2015 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by JackClark (Post 11686239)
The only possible use of a VPN might be if you're not allowed to connect to the internet or TOR without one, I'd say it's worse as you've now told the VPN that you're connecting to TOR. Just use TAILS. Some info here https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/i...html#index20h2

http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/07/08...legit-or-****/

ISP's are monitoring TOR usage..

JackClark 24 May 2015 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Norman Dog (Post 11686470)

They're monitoring VPN use too.

The author of the page agree's with me, but if you're super paranoid then it wouldn't hurt.

"Glad you liked the VPN lists! Thanks for the comment.

Your right that using a VPN is something that is necessary across the clearnet. What were trying to teach people here is that there are lots of security threats around the interwebs, something darknet veterans and rookies are aware of more than most. We want them to implement a VPN when they are surfing the clearnet, for security and privacy protection(and fun reasons like region specific content, i hear UK netflix has a bunch of TV shows not available in the US).

Using a VPN to download Tails and Tor will also help to protect you from ending up on a fancy NSA list. (thanks fort he reminder, Whillhelm)

But your right about VPNs on the darknet, the grugq would agree with you. YES to Tor to VPN connections, NO to VPN to Tor connections."

goatblower 30 May 2015 09:08 AM

Sentenced to life imprisonment!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32941060

markjmd 30 May 2015 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by goatblower (Post 11689585)

No big surprise, really. If he'd run the site as a not-for-profit, instead of a tool that helped him amass a pretty tidy personal fortune, I'm sure he'd have wound up with a much shorter sentence.

boxst 01 June 2015 01:42 PM

That was an interesting read, thank you.

I expect that TOR and its equivalents will be banned soon as although you can trace it is relatively painful to do so. As a minimum you will be flagged if you do use TOR and then your non-TOR use monitored heavily.


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