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alcazar 10 March 2015 12:13 PM

UKIP correct...twice in two days.
 
Yesterday we saw the release of the figures for Romanians and Bulgarians coming here: 5.76 times what the Tories and LimpDems estimated.
Despite Clegg's anger at Nigel Farage when he mentioned that might happen in the debate.

And today, we see that there has been a call from the EC for an EU Armed force to face down Putin....once again, Clegg said it wouldn't happen and was a dangerous thing to say during the debate.

What planet is Clegg the smeg on?

warrenm2 10 March 2015 01:10 PM

The Establishment can only deny reality for so long, after a while reality just steam rollers over the pathetic attempts to maintain a fantasy. You saw it in the Communist countries, and we are seeing it now with immigration and the EU. The reality of the situation can no longer be denied, and its only those controversial figures that said the Emperor had no clothes that are vindicated

warrenm2 10 March 2015 01:25 PM

Also Farage predicted in 2008 on the dangers of courting Ukraine, turns out he was right on that as well.....


Martin2005 10 March 2015 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11642943)
Yesterday we saw the release of the figures for Romanians and Bulgarians coming here: 5.76 times what the Tories and LimpDems estimated.
Despite Clegg's anger at Nigel Farage when he mentioned that might happen in the debate.

And today, we see that there has been a call from the EC for an EU Armed force to face down Putin....once again, Clegg said it wouldn't happen and was a dangerous thing to say during the debate.

What planet is Clegg the smeg on?

Were UKIP right?

They repeatedly claimed that as many as 29 million would come. It makes being wrong by 6:1 look positively accurate :)

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/15/ukip-accused-of-scaremongering-after-number-of-romanians-in

dpb 10 March 2015 02:48 PM

Twice in two days isn't bad start

Tidgy 10 March 2015 02:51 PM

twice in two days? only managed 50% of a broken clock then, thats right twice a day :D lol

hodgy0_2 10 March 2015 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by warrenm2 (Post 11642991)
Also Farage predicted in 2008 on the dangers of courting Ukraine, turns out he was right on that as well.....

Nigel Farage warned about Russia Ukraine in 2008 - YouTube

I have to say I agree with that

naïve to say the least to think that Putin/Russia would allow this - and smacks of triumphalism from EU/NATO - backed by the hawkish US administration

it may have been possible when Russia was a bankrupt basket case at the turn of the century, but not now, with Russia as a resurgent super power

and I think this eastwards expansion went back on the tacit agreement re spheres of influence post breakdown of the eastern bloc

Martin2005 10 March 2015 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by hodgy0_2 (Post 11643074)
I have to say I agree with that

naïve to say the least to think that Putin/Russia would allow this - and smacks of triumphalism from EU/NATO - backed by the hawkish US administration

it may have been possible when Russia was a bankrupt basket case at the turn of the century, but not now, with Russia as a resurgent super power

and I think this eastwards expansion went back on the tacit agreement re spheres of influence post breakdown of the eastern bloc

That may well all be right from a strategic perspective, but it kind of misses the point doesn't it?

The majority of the Ukrainian people are aspiring to western values, not Putin's values.

hodgy0_2 10 March 2015 04:20 PM

I agree in a perfect world - but it isn't

both the US and Russia have spheres of influence especially in their backyards

if the EU/NATO wanted to move the Ukraine away from "mother" Russia they should have been a bit cleverer about it

and not simply turn up with a can of Coke and pair of Levis - saying come with us, ooh and by the way can be put NATO missiles in your garden

Putin is not a Mug

Dingdongler 10 March 2015 05:22 PM

Yup, Putin is being portrayed as the aggressor here and though he is no angel he has had his buttons pressed by the West.

And how about those claims that the Malaysian plane was downed by Russian missiles, was that ever proven or just propaganda?

markjmd 10 March 2015 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Dingdongler (Post 11643136)
Yup, Putin is being portrayed as the aggressor here and though he is no angel he has had his buttons pressed by the West.

And how about those claims that the Malaysian plane was downed by Russian missiles, was that ever proven or just propaganda?

Seriously, how much proof do you need? :wonder:

alcazar 10 March 2015 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11643044)
Were UKIP right?

They repeatedly claimed that as many as 29 million would come. It makes being wrong by 6:1 look positively accurate :)

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/...f-romanians-in


Ah, Martin, I thought better of you..a LITTLE better anyway.

IF you bother to check, you'll see that they said that 29million HAD THE RIGHT TO COME.

Never did they say that they would all come...it was made abundantly clear to that moron Smegg too.

Martin2005 10 March 2015 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11643184)
Ah, Martin, I thought better of you..a LITTLE better anyway.

IF you bother to check, you'll see that they said that 29million HAD THE RIGHT TO COME.

Never did they say that they would all come...it was made abundantly clear to that moron Smegg too.

How many did they say would come then?

dpb 10 March 2015 07:06 PM

ANYONE could have foreseen the EU expansion, together with inevitable NATO backing was liable to get this sort reaction from the russkies and putin in particular .

Plain mad imo

alcazar 10 March 2015 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11643216)
How many did they say would come then?

They never gave a number....just pointed out that the Tories...and Lying Labour before 'em, had opened the door to ANOTHER 29 million people, should they choose to come.

The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low.

Shaid 10 March 2015 08:16 PM

You know a party is full of bull when it's supporters get excited about a point being right and even moreso when two being correct brings out the tea parties and orgasms.

alcazar 10 March 2015 08:49 PM

Aye...right....as our Scots cousins would say:D

Martin2005 10 March 2015 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11643251)
They never gave a number....just pointed out that the Tories...and Lying Labour before 'em, had opened the door to ANOTHER 29 million people, should they choose to come.

The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low.

Oh I see 'they never gave a number'. So anywhere between 0 & 29,000,000 then.

We got off lightly then

Martin2005 10 March 2015 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 11643251)
They never gave a number....just pointed out that the Tories...and Lying Labour before 'em, had opened the door to ANOTHER 29 million people, should they choose to come.

The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low.

Have you got a source for this?

RS_Matt 10 March 2015 09:12 PM

UKIP is the obvious choice now and it's been reflected on my notorious ranker list recently.

They've leap-frogged Labour and are now reeling the Greens in. At 427 likes UKIP have over a 100 more than any other party. The bookies are risking it at 150/1 for UKIP winning most seats.

http://www.ranker.com/list/british-g...r-/matthewgill

Martin2005 10 March 2015 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11643401)
UKIP is the obvious choice now and it's been reflected on my notorious ranker list recently.

They've leap-frogged Labour and are now reeling the Greens in. At 427 likes UKIP have over a 100 more than any other party. The bookies are risking it at 150/1 for UKIP winning most seats.

http://www.ranker.com/list/british-g...r-/matthewgill

I think this says more about Ranker than it does about UKIPs electoral chances.

'Most seats' lol; right now they'd snap your hand off if you offered them 5

Kwik 10 March 2015 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11643406)
I think this says more about Ranker than it does about UKIPs electoral chances. 'Most seats' lol; right now they'd snap your hand off if you offered them 5

I'm not so sure. Agree or disagree with UKIP they are certainly the party everybody is talking about. Nobody likes Miliband, Cameron is finished and Clegg is forgotten about.
Although I doubt they will get into power but they will more than likely rock the establishment.

Martin2005 10 March 2015 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Kwik (Post 11643418)
I'm not so sure. Agree or disagree with UKIP they are certainly the party everybody is talking about. Nobody likes Miliband, Cameron is finished and Clegg is forgotten about.
Although I doubt they will get into power but they will more than likely rock the establishment.

Indeed people are talking about them no doubt about that. But they are polling at around 12%, which means virtually no seats.

Kwik 10 March 2015 09:39 PM

Could the polls be wrong?

dpb 10 March 2015 09:45 PM

Doubt it , they've mostly gone home

Martin2005 10 March 2015 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Kwik (Post 11643428)
Could the polls be wrong?

All of them?

Kwik 10 March 2015 10:20 PM

Have they ever been wrong in the past?

Martin2005 10 March 2015 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by Kwik (Post 11643473)
Have they ever been wrong in the past?

Sure they have but..
There's wrong, and then there's WRONG.

Its not to say that there won't be a surge of support, or they manage to concentrate their vote in a few seats...

alcazar 10 March 2015 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Martin2005 (Post 11643389)
Oh I see 'they never gave a number'. So anywhere between 0 & 29,000,000 then.

We got off lightly then

HOW silly are you, Martin?

Will you use any **** to defend the establishment you love?

Off and kiss Camerons @rse why don't you?

PS: two can do the nasty insult bit mate...........

warrenm2 10 March 2015 11:58 PM

Farage said we were OPENING THE DOORS to 29 million - IN FACT HERE'S A VIDEO OF HIM SAYING IT. Here is the proof


He said he thought about 50000 would come in one year or "several hundred thousand in 5 years which may be conservative". In fact here's a video of him SAYING IT (starts at 1.56)


But don't bother replying because a) I've blocked you and b) anything you say is worthless


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