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UKIP correct...twice in two days.
Yesterday we saw the release of the figures for Romanians and Bulgarians coming here: 5.76 times what the Tories and LimpDems estimated.
Despite Clegg's anger at Nigel Farage when he mentioned that might happen in the debate. And today, we see that there has been a call from the EC for an EU Armed force to face down Putin....once again, Clegg said it wouldn't happen and was a dangerous thing to say during the debate. What planet is Clegg the smeg on? |
The Establishment can only deny reality for so long, after a while reality just steam rollers over the pathetic attempts to maintain a fantasy. You saw it in the Communist countries, and we are seeing it now with immigration and the EU. The reality of the situation can no longer be denied, and its only those controversial figures that said the Emperor had no clothes that are vindicated
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Also Farage predicted in 2008 on the dangers of courting Ukraine, turns out he was right on that as well.....
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11642943)
Yesterday we saw the release of the figures for Romanians and Bulgarians coming here: 5.76 times what the Tories and LimpDems estimated.
Despite Clegg's anger at Nigel Farage when he mentioned that might happen in the debate. And today, we see that there has been a call from the EC for an EU Armed force to face down Putin....once again, Clegg said it wouldn't happen and was a dangerous thing to say during the debate. What planet is Clegg the smeg on? They repeatedly claimed that as many as 29 million would come. It makes being wrong by 6:1 look positively accurate :) http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/15/ukip-accused-of-scaremongering-after-number-of-romanians-in |
Twice in two days isn't bad start
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twice in two days? only managed 50% of a broken clock then, thats right twice a day :D lol
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11642991)
Also Farage predicted in 2008 on the dangers of courting Ukraine, turns out he was right on that as well.....
Nigel Farage warned about Russia Ukraine in 2008 - YouTube naïve to say the least to think that Putin/Russia would allow this - and smacks of triumphalism from EU/NATO - backed by the hawkish US administration it may have been possible when Russia was a bankrupt basket case at the turn of the century, but not now, with Russia as a resurgent super power and I think this eastwards expansion went back on the tacit agreement re spheres of influence post breakdown of the eastern bloc |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11643074)
I have to say I agree with that
naïve to say the least to think that Putin/Russia would allow this - and smacks of triumphalism from EU/NATO - backed by the hawkish US administration it may have been possible when Russia was a bankrupt basket case at the turn of the century, but not now, with Russia as a resurgent super power and I think this eastwards expansion went back on the tacit agreement re spheres of influence post breakdown of the eastern bloc The majority of the Ukrainian people are aspiring to western values, not Putin's values. |
I agree in a perfect world - but it isn't
both the US and Russia have spheres of influence especially in their backyards if the EU/NATO wanted to move the Ukraine away from "mother" Russia they should have been a bit cleverer about it and not simply turn up with a can of Coke and pair of Levis - saying come with us, ooh and by the way can be put NATO missiles in your garden Putin is not a Mug |
Yup, Putin is being portrayed as the aggressor here and though he is no angel he has had his buttons pressed by the West.
And how about those claims that the Malaysian plane was downed by Russian missiles, was that ever proven or just propaganda? |
Originally Posted by Dingdongler
(Post 11643136)
Yup, Putin is being portrayed as the aggressor here and though he is no angel he has had his buttons pressed by the West.
And how about those claims that the Malaysian plane was downed by Russian missiles, was that ever proven or just propaganda? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11643044)
Were UKIP right?
They repeatedly claimed that as many as 29 million would come. It makes being wrong by 6:1 look positively accurate :) http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/...f-romanians-in Ah, Martin, I thought better of you..a LITTLE better anyway. IF you bother to check, you'll see that they said that 29million HAD THE RIGHT TO COME. Never did they say that they would all come...it was made abundantly clear to that moron Smegg too. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11643184)
Ah, Martin, I thought better of you..a LITTLE better anyway.
IF you bother to check, you'll see that they said that 29million HAD THE RIGHT TO COME. Never did they say that they would all come...it was made abundantly clear to that moron Smegg too. |
ANYONE could have foreseen the EU expansion, together with inevitable NATO backing was liable to get this sort reaction from the russkies and putin in particular .
Plain mad imo |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11643216)
How many did they say would come then?
The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low. |
You know a party is full of bull when it's supporters get excited about a point being right and even moreso when two being correct brings out the tea parties and orgasms.
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Aye...right....as our Scots cousins would say:D
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11643251)
They never gave a number....just pointed out that the Tories...and Lying Labour before 'em, had opened the door to ANOTHER 29 million people, should they choose to come.
The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low. We got off lightly then |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11643251)
They never gave a number....just pointed out that the Tories...and Lying Labour before 'em, had opened the door to ANOTHER 29 million people, should they choose to come.
The Tories it was who estimated...and were 5.76 times too low. |
UKIP is the obvious choice now and it's been reflected on my notorious ranker list recently.
They've leap-frogged Labour and are now reeling the Greens in. At 427 likes UKIP have over a 100 more than any other party. The bookies are risking it at 150/1 for UKIP winning most seats. http://www.ranker.com/list/british-g...r-/matthewgill |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11643401)
UKIP is the obvious choice now and it's been reflected on my notorious ranker list recently.
They've leap-frogged Labour and are now reeling the Greens in. At 427 likes UKIP have over a 100 more than any other party. The bookies are risking it at 150/1 for UKIP winning most seats. http://www.ranker.com/list/british-g...r-/matthewgill 'Most seats' lol; right now they'd snap your hand off if you offered them 5 |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11643406)
I think this says more about Ranker than it does about UKIPs electoral chances. 'Most seats' lol; right now they'd snap your hand off if you offered them 5
Although I doubt they will get into power but they will more than likely rock the establishment. |
Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11643418)
I'm not so sure. Agree or disagree with UKIP they are certainly the party everybody is talking about. Nobody likes Miliband, Cameron is finished and Clegg is forgotten about.
Although I doubt they will get into power but they will more than likely rock the establishment. |
Could the polls be wrong?
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Doubt it , they've mostly gone home
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Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11643428)
Could the polls be wrong?
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Have they ever been wrong in the past?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
(Post 11643473)
Have they ever been wrong in the past?
There's wrong, and then there's WRONG. Its not to say that there won't be a surge of support, or they manage to concentrate their vote in a few seats... |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11643389)
Oh I see 'they never gave a number'. So anywhere between 0 & 29,000,000 then.
We got off lightly then Will you use any **** to defend the establishment you love? Off and kiss Camerons @rse why don't you? PS: two can do the nasty insult bit mate........... |
Farage said we were OPENING THE DOORS to 29 million - IN FACT HERE'S A VIDEO OF HIM SAYING IT. Here is the proof
He said he thought about 50000 would come in one year or "several hundred thousand in 5 years which may be conservative". In fact here's a video of him SAYING IT (starts at 1.56) But don't bother replying because a) I've blocked you and b) anything you say is worthless |
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