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fat-thomas 06 December 2014 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11576350)
Many moons ago there was a test done by the motoring press of petrol and diesel variants of a Mondeo, break even point was 100k for the diesel variant.

Enough said.:thumb:

on buying a new car yes,second hand no.
mpg wise the diesels are far cheaper to run as we all know 30 mpg is around average for a wrx and a bit lower for an sti.
diesels run around mid 40s to 50s on everyday driving and the cost per gallon is the same.
maintenace is hardly cheap on an impreza and they do require repairs as much as the next car.

ditchmyster 06 December 2014 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11576353)
on buying a new car yes,second hand no.
mpg wise the diesels are far cheaper to run as we all know 30 mpg is around average for a wrx and a bit lower for an sti.
diesels run around mid 40s to 50s on everyday driving and the cost per gallon is the same.
maintenace is hardly cheap on an impreza and they do require repairs as much as the next car.

Say what you like about them, they still cost more to buy second hand too. I'd sooner drive a WRX wagon than a diesel of the same price, I hate shoot chuckers with a passion, had enough of them with work so it's not as if I never had one, you'd also need a pretty expensive one to get anywhere near the Wagon performance wise. I don't do huge milage 20k in 3 1/2 yrs and I can live with 28/36mpg, I can't however live with the kackle and the 4k red line. :nono:

thenewgalaxy 06 December 2014 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by WRXrowdy (Post 11576297)
I beg to differ. We have had our car for seven years, touch wood the only thing that has gone wrong mechanically is a tiny hole in the top rad hose, and then a hairline fracture in the top of the rad itself.
Can you honestly tell me a golf the same age (and I have had three) would be as reliable and not cost a fortune in repair bills. You can't just plug a fault code reader in a vag car, has to go somewhere that has vag com diagnostics to deal with that. Mate of mine has got a 1.9 Passat, it is newer than our scoob, and the dashboard is lit up like a Christmas tree. He changed the abs unit, but can't even bleed the brakes without getting it connected to vag com and have that tell the Ecu the unit has been changed, and to turn the fault light off.


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11576317)
Well I like to drive and have fun in my car when it's appropriate, I don't generally tear arse about the place during day to day driving, I tend to stick pretty close to the speed limit and don't see the point in spunking fuel if I'm only going to the shops, I save it for those times when I'm in the mood for a blast and go do the coast road or some other back roads where there's not many cars about or people trying to cross the road doing their shopping.

I wouldn't have a modern diesel as they are crap and end up costing more in repairs than you save on fuel as well as the fact that diesel is more expensive as are the cars, false economy unless your going to do more than 100k in 3yrs and my days of doing that sort of milage are long gone thankfully.:thumb:

I thought the JDM bunch were overly zealous but even they cannot match the fervour of you WRX boys.

The WRX is poor on fuel, attracts high maintenance costs and is not particularly insurance friendly. Most owners who run these cars will see mid-20s for fuel consumption at the very best.

If you don't like your diesels - I do - then go for one of the multitude of other cars available out there, maybe something like a 1.6 Focus. It'll still be vastly more economical and a generally better place to be when making your way from A to B than driving an Impreza turbo with a glass of water balanced on your head to achieve your 36mpg.

If you're buying a car that's designed to be driven quickly I think it's wrong to worry about the amount of fuel it uses. If you're worried about that, buy something more economical, whatever it may be.

ditchmyster 07 December 2014 12:02 AM

Mine does 36mpg sticking between 70/80mph with the odd squirt here and there, 28mpg is achieved by sticking to the speed limit.

As for a focus being a better place to be.:lol1:

Carnut 07 December 2014 12:35 AM

Why is it that if some gets a service from RCM everyone goes crazy and talks about how much of a waste of money they are and where the cheapest place to get oil is or tyres etc but someone wants to save a bit of fuel and they've got the wrong car :wonder:

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Carnut (Post 11576400)
Why is it that if some gets a service from RCM everyone goes crazy and talks about how much of a waste of money they are and where the cheapest place to get oil is or tyres etc but someone wants to save a bit of fuel and they've got the wrong car :wonder:

Because rcms prices are OTT and if you're worried about mpg the impreza is about the worst car you could buy.

angel1368 07 December 2014 08:22 AM

i wasnt worried, i onlu put this thread up to see of it was about right as this is my first impreza i just wasnt sure

WRXrowdy 07 December 2014 10:21 AM

Thenewgalaxy
You can sling mud coz I drive a wrx if you want, but just under 30mpg average isn't too bad, certainly doesn't worry me.
My Volvo diesel needed over a grand spent on it in repairs in the first month I owned it, the Subaru well under half that in seven years.
The impreza is also cheaper for me to insure if it was on the same policy as my Volvo diesel.
But I don't think this thread is about swapping a wrx for a diesel anyway!

thenewgalaxy 07 December 2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by WRXrowdy (Post 11576480)
Thenewgalaxy
You can sling mud coz I drive a wrx if you want, but just under 30mpg average isn't too bad, certainly doesn't worry me.
My Volvo diesel needed over a grand spent on it in repairs in the first month I owned it, the Subaru well under half that in seven years.
The impreza is also cheaper for me to insure if it was on the same policy as my Volvo diesel.
But I don't think this thread is about swapping a wrx for a diesel anyway!

You're missing the point of what I'm saying, so I'll spell it out for you.

If you want a car that achieves respectable fuel economy, don't drive a turbocharged Impreza.

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by WRXrowdy (Post 11576480)
Thenewgalaxy
You can sling mud coz I drive a wrx if you want, but just under 30mpg average isn't too bad, certainly doesn't worry me.
My Volvo diesel needed over a grand spent on it in repairs in the first month I owned it, the Subaru well under half that in seven years.
The impreza is also cheaper for me to insure if it was on the same policy as my Volvo diesel.
But I don't think this thread is about swapping a wrx for a diesel anyway!

wtf are you on about?? no mention of wrxs etc just imprezas in general being crap on fuel:cuckoo:

WRXrowdy 07 December 2014 02:06 PM

Tubs, the op was on about economy on a wrx, the fact that ditch and myself spoke out about diesels (and I own one) or over rated vag cars (and I own one of these too), led TNG to mention us wrx owners in a less favourable light.

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11576193)
I used to get 18mpg then changed the arb and crank pulley now I get 65mpg.....
Now where's my crack pipe??

Lol you've upped the WRX hate campaign now you've lost your partner in crime.

Something for WRX owners hitting google who have been made to feel they made the wrong choice - this thread is an eye opener. STI owners do not read on.

WRX V STI
which is quicker to 60 mph a WRX or STI?
can a WRX beat an STI that has 100bhp more?
STI envy
What are the differences between an STI and WRX
Is it true a WRX is faster than an STI
Is the 5 speed WRX gearbox weak?
is the wrx the wrong choice
best subaru impreza ever made
wrx ppp
wrx blobeye
wrx hawkeye
wrx hatch
wrx saloon
JDM wrx
classic wrx
newage wrx
Why does the WRX use less fuel than an STI?
Do I need to forge my internals
Is it true a WRX will always keep up with an STI that has 20% more power
Benefits of 6 speed subaru Impreza STI box?
WRX V STI gear ratios
why the wrx is better for launching
6 speed STI box unusable
what do I need for 450bhp
which is faster with the same power STI or WRX
Are STI transmission losses more than a WRX?
Can a WRX beat an STI
Why do STI owners hate the WRX so much?
which is the best car to mod sti or wrx
which is the best car for the drag strip WRX or STI
post your wrx sti timeslips
stock wrx sti performance
why is the wrx faster than an sti?
why should I buy an sti
is the WRX good value?
best gearbox for subaru

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by ditchmyster (Post 11576389)
Mine does 36mpg sticking between 70/80mph with the odd squirt here and there, 28mpg is achieved by sticking to the speed limit.

As for a focus being a better place to be.:lol1:

On a flat road run to Bridlington I can just about hit 40mpg sticking religiously to 50mph

At 70-80 the MPG drops to around 25mpg, I don't know if it's due to my compression losses or what. I stick to 60mph on the Motorways so getting good MPG is deffo a compromise at times.


Originally Posted by WRXrowdy (Post 11576480)
Thenewgalaxy
You can sling mud coz I drive a wrx if you want

Ignore the STI fanboys, I've proved time and time again that the WRX is a far far better car in the real world.

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576710)
Lol you've upped the WRX hate campaign now you've lost your partner in crime.

sad trolling attempt to try and link me to some weird peado for the record he was a wrx owner like yourself

angel1368 07 December 2014 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576713)
On a flat road run to Bridlington I can just about hit 40mpg sticking religiously to 50mph

At 70-80 the MPG drops to around 25mpg, I don't know if it's due to my compression losses or what. I stick to 60mph on the Motorways so getting good MPG is deffo a compromise at times.



Ignore the STI fanboys, I've proved time and time again that the WRX is a far far better car in the real world.

I don't do track days or anything like that so as a daily driver have I made the better choice by buying a wrx over the sti in your opinion

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by angel1368 (Post 11576725)
I don't do track days or anything like that so as a daily driver have I made the better choice by buying a wrx over the sti in your opinion

youre asking another wrx owner who couldnt afford the sti.

i have driven both back to back for a couple of years and if you want performance handling and braking get the sti.
if you want a car that looks a bit like an sti but with none of the perfomance benefits get the wrx.

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11576718)
sad trolling attempt to try and link me to some weird peado for the record he was a wrx owner like yourself

Only in the fact you both ganged up on the Newage WRX, more often than not mine. The fact he's a Paeder is irrelevant.


...though my car is only 11 years old, you filthy Mechanophile.

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by angel1368 (Post 11576725)
I don't do track days or anything like that so as a daily driver have I made the better choice by buying a wrx over the sti in your opinion

Yes and in my estimation by some way.

kevfawcett 07 December 2014 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by angel1368 (Post 11576725)
I don't do track days or anything like that so as a daily driver have I made the better choice by buying a wrx over the sti in your opinion


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576731)
Yes and in my estimation by some way.

You're off your nut

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by kevfawcett (Post 11576779)
You're off your nut

Cheaper to buy
Faster to 60
Faster to 100 at similar power levels
Faster 1/4 mile at 350hp even if STI has up to 20% more power.
Less transmission losses and rotational mass
More subtle interior
Far better MPG
Less drag
Less weight
Cheaper to insure
Cheaper to fix
Cheaper to maintain
Doesn't need forged internals to run 11 second drag runs.
Easier to drive at increased power levels (STI drivers get more spin and hit the limiter)

ljpaddock 07 December 2014 08:30 PM

What a fag

kevfawcett 07 December 2014 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576801)
Cheaper to buy
Faster to 60
Faster to 100 at similar power levels
Faster 1/4 mile at 350hp even if STI has up to 20% more power.
Less transmission losses and rotational mass
More subtle interior
Far better MPG
Less drag
Less weight
Cheaper to insure
Cheaper to fix
Cheaper to maintain
Doesn't need forged internals to run 11 second drag runs.
Easier to drive at increased power levels (STI drivers get more spin and hit the limiter)

You're just proving my point :cuckoo:

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576801)
Cheaper to buy
Faster to 60
Faster to 100 at similar power levels
Faster 1/4 mile at 350hp even if STI has up to 20% more power.
Less transmission losses and rotational mass
More subtle interior
Far better MPG
Less drag
Less weight
Cheaper to insure
Cheaper to fix
Cheaper to maintain
Doesn't need forged internals to run 11 second drag runs.
Easier to drive at increased power levels (STI drivers get more spin and hit the limiter)

No dccd
No brembo brakes
Comedy suspension
Weak engine
Weak gearbox
No avcs heads
No big spoiler that all the wrx box's want

As for faster that's only in your opinion remember I did 12.8 standing quarter with a passenger and 260 ish bhp,can't deny it you were there ;)

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11576827)
No dccd
No brembo brakes
Comedy suspension
Weak engine
Weak gearbox
No avcs heads
No big spoiler that all the wrx box's want

As for faster that's only in you're opinion remember I did 12.8 standing quarter with a passenger and 260 ish bhp,can't deny it you were there ;)

It's widely accepted the Engine (and gearbox) in WRX handles 350bhp, Arguably the Engine in STI handles 450bhp.

350bhp WRX humiliates 450bhp STI.

Comedy suspension is better for comedy UK roads.

WRX brakes are 2nd to Fred Flintstone's brakes.

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576837)
It's widely accepted the Engine (and gearbox) in WRX handles 350bhp, Arguably the Engine in STI handles 450bhp.

350bhp WRX humiliates 450bhp STI.

Comedy suspension is better for comedy UK roads.

WRX brakes are 2nd to Fred Flintstone's brakes.

But 12.8 with passenger at 260 bhp in my sti vs 12.6 with 330 bhp in your wrx

Is humiliation ;)

scoobyJim2 07 December 2014 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by angel1368 (Post 11576040)
just curious if this is about right in a blob wrx

I've had as little as 35 miles and as much as 75miles to £20 v power. 320bhp 04 blob. I average 50-60 miles generally though

RS_Matt 07 December 2014 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by fat-thomas (Post 11576843)
But 12.8 with passenger at 260 bhp in my sti vs 12.6 with 330 bhp in your wrx

Is a lie ;)

How many max power levels did you mange in that infamous June 2012 Santa Pod run?

So far 430bhp, 265bhp, 260bhp and 256bhp has been stated!

I think your 2013 comment of an STI need over 400bhp to get into the 12's gives the game away.

400bhp in a WRX and you'd be pushing mid 11's lol.

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576853)
How many max power levels did you mange in that infamous June 2012 Santa Pod run?

So far 430bhp, 265bhp, 260bhp and 256bhp has been stated!

I think your 2013 comment of an STI need over 400bhp to get into the 12's gives the game away.

400bhp in a WRX and you'd be pushing mid 11's lol.

The car is standard as you well know,430 bhp is made up by you to fit in with your wrx troll.

scoobyJim2 07 December 2014 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by RS_Matt (Post 11576853)

How many max power levels did you mange in that infamous June 2012 Santa Pod run?

So far 430bhp, 265bhp, 260bhp and 256bhp has been stated!

I think your 2013 comment of an STI need over 400bhp to get into the 12's gives the game away.

400bhp in a WRX and you'd be pushing mid 11's lol.

Maybe he should change his name again to billy bullsh!t (tubby tommy,fat Thomas) billy bullsh!t suits better lol

fat-thomas 07 December 2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by scoobyJim2 (Post 11576861)
Maybe he should change his name again to billy bullsh!t (tubby tommy,fat Thomas) billy bullsh!t suits better lol

I could claim I beat an amg in my £1500 sh1t box but you beat me too it ;)


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