Terror threat level raised... new laws coming?
I see we have raised our terror threat level to severe in light of IS.... not sure why we are any more or less under threat than last week, but there you go.
Or does our government have some new controlling laws it wants to push through? Probably given their past performance! They even wheeled Teflon May out after she has virtually been in hiding since the Rotherham child abuse report so it must be something significant they want to get through. :lol1: The biggest laugh is Cameron tried to take us into Syria to support the rebels against Assad, now it is those rebels who have morphed into IS and now we are talking about siding with Assad.... you couldn't make it up!:cuckoo: |
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11502706)
I see we have raised our terror threat level to severe in light of IS.... not sure why we are any more or less under threat than last week, but there you go.
Or does our government have some new controlling laws it wants to push through? Probably given their past performance! They even wheeled Teflon May out after she has virtually been in hiding since the Rotherham child abuse report so it must be something significant they want to get through. :lol1: The biggest laugh is Cameron tried to take us into Syria to support the rebels against Assad, now it is those rebels who have morphed into IS and now we are talking about siding with Assad.... you couldn't make it up!:cuckoo: |
Whatever they are saying, whatever the reasons they say they are doing it for, you can guarantee it's for a completely different reason.
I love the way the media report headlines and a week later some new law comes out in relation to said headlines. They must think we're all thick! |
I'm going to dig out my winter balaclava and start wearing it.
Should raise a giggle. |
Even the OP with his blinkered views can surely appreciate terror threats can change from day to day never mind week to week and Cameron is reacting accordingly, would you have him do nothing? :cuckoo:
Also, I think you'll find the rebels haven't "morphed" into IS, they are seperate groups and are fighting each other.:oops: The Rotherham abuse scandal started long before the Tories came to power btw, just saying.:thumb: |
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503118)
Even the OP with his blinkered views can surely appreciate terror threats can change from day to day never mind week to week and Cameron is reacting accordingly, would you have him do nothing? :cuckoo:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503118)
Also, I think you'll find the rebels haven't "morphed" into IS, they are seperate groups and are fighting each other.:oops:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503118)
The Rotherham abuse scandal started long before the Tories came to power btw, just saying.:thumb:
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There is no terror threat! Simples.
The only terrorists you need worry about are the US government and our very own UK government, the greatest terrorists planet earth has ever seen. 99% of what you read and hear about Isis, Gaza,Ukraine,Russia,7/7, foley etc etc etc is fabricated by our very own government. Reasons...........more power more control. |
O.K. I'll reply as the Everton v Chelsea match is now over. Cracking game btw :thumb: with teammates working together for the good of the club not like the MB F1 team trying to screw each other over for personal gain. :lol1:
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503137)
Reacting to what exactly?
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503137)
Ah so we were going to select exactly which rebels we supported were we? Give them an 'Are you and extremist? Take this easy online test' questionnaire to fill in before issuing them with a weapon?
Who is to say if the anti al-Assad rebels had been armed at the beginning the IS situation would not have occurred later? We will never know.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503137)
But the report was published last week :confused:
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Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503193)
O.K. I'll reply as the Everton v Chelsea match is now over. Cracking game btw :thumb: with teammates working together for the good of the club not like the MB F1 team trying to screw each other over for personal gain. :lol1:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503193)
Reacting to information from MI5 among others probably. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503193)
Confused you didn't it? :lol1: You thought they were one and the same.
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503193)
Who is to say if the anti al-Assad rebels had been armed at the beginning the IS situation would not have occurred later? We will never know.
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503193)
Yes with the abuse starting in 1997. What is your point? :confused:
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503203)
Ah yes football. A sport with racism and sexism running through its core. All that with Malky whatever his name is sending racist and sexists texts and then the 'Kick racism out of football' campaign trying to play it down and say its not endemic to the game until the TV interviewer pointed out the very fact the sport has a 'Kick racism out of football' campaign is an indicator enough and no other sport needs one... the thick cnuts didn't know what to say then :lol1:
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503203)
Or completely making it up to deflect attention from other things probably
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503203)
Nope, they were part of the rebels Cameron wanted to help as per my original point. It is you who seem confused!
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503203)
The point (not made by me btw) was that this terror threat thing was being made to help bury the backlash from the Rotherham report.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503203)
the fact the scandal started before the Tories got appointed to government is utterly and completely irrelevant to the point made. :cuckoo:
I see stipete75 agrees with you! :thumb::lol1: |
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
Should've interviewed Gunner fan Lewis Hamilton for a more balanced argument.;) You of all people know what these journalists are like and how they can discombobulate things.:D
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
Or he could have withheld the warning until it was too late and give you an excellent opening for a new thread. :cuckoo:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
You said the rebels "morphed" into each other. Either you don't know the meaning of the word or the fact they are seperate groups or both.:confused:
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
I never said you did but why mention the Rotherham report?
Why mention Rotherham then?
Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
I see stipete75 agrees with you! :thumb::lol1:
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Trying to reply to this whilst watching Match of the Day, apologies for any typos! :D
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503298)
Sorry I don't follow. Are you saying racism is not endemic in football? As stated if so why is there a 'kick racism out of football' campaign? Just for a bit of a good crack I guess :lol1:
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503298)
Warning about what? There is nothing of substance being presented. It's bollox and deep down you know it! You're not stupid no matter how good an impression you do on here.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503298)
I meant morphed as in the situation, but you're right the wording was bad... if you want to be a pedant (and I should know about that ;) ). At the end of the day some of the people,Cameron wanted to support are now committing atrocities in northern Iraq or do you dispute that?
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503298)
I didn't except to say Teflon May had appeared having virtually hidden since its publication by way of saying they must be trying to add gravitas to the terrorist threat message.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503298)
As do several others :thumb:
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
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Originally Posted by Mouser
(Post 11503282)
I see stipete75 agrees with you!
Could there be a slight possibility that those in the Cabinet base their decisions on intelligence gathered by the intelligence service that the general public are not privy to? Could it be that the heightened alert is the result of British citizens travelling to the Middle East to fight with terrorist and perform executions of western hostages with the possibility of them returning and inflicting terrorist acts on British soil? Could this not simply be a genuine reason for upping the threat alert or are you saying, along with stipete75, they've been made up to push through a new law like you suggested? And what new law is coming our way? I travel into and work in London and would prefer to err on the side of caution. I'm sure you'll be the first to rant that if our Government did nothing should we have another incident on the scale of 7/7. |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11503357)
That is no great endorsement! :lol1:
Could there be a slight possibility that those in the Cabinet base their decisions on intelligence gathered by the intelligence service that the general public are not privy to? |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503371)
What? Like a dossier saying Iraq could deploy WMD against the UK within 45 minutes? That sort of intelligence you mean?
The Syrian gas attack? James foley? 7/7 |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503371)
What? Like a dossier saying Iraq could deploy WMD against the UK within 45 minutes? That sort of intelligence you mean?
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11503388)
No you're right, just as stipete says, events like 7/7 was all an elaborate setup, certainly had me convinced and I was not that far from Aldgate station on that day. So what are these new controlling laws that they're going to push through?
As for 7/7 what are you on about? I am not saying terrorism does not happen (although a lot less of it probably would if we stopped poking our noses into other country's affairs), but declaring DEFCON PANIC with no evidence as to why isn't going to convince me there is any more of an issue today than last month. |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503371)
What? Like a dossier saying Iraq could deploy WMD against the UK within 45 minutes? That sort of intelligence you mean?
It could be that they don't know who and/or where most of these returning jihadists are or what they are up to? |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503391)
Apparently we will find out on Monday.
As for 7/7 what are you on about? I am not saying terrorism does not happen (although a lot less of it probably would if we stopped poking our noses into other country's affairs), but declaring DEFCON PANIC with no evidence as to why isn't going to convince me there is any more of an issue today than last month. |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11503396)
Like Gaza?
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11503396)
Like Gaza?
Gaza was/is awful, but are you saying we should get involved on a military level? Not bloody likely especially seeing as Osborne can't even be bothered to speak to the members of the Israeli administration he knows well. It is a travesty we didn't get diplomatically involved, but militarily .. no thanks, that was up to the UN to get a co-ordinated response, but as usual they just decided to stand on the sidelines complaining how awful it all was. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11503395)
Bizarrely it could be that a lack of intelligence that has got the government spooked.
It could be that they don't know who and/or where most of these returning jihadists are or what they are up to? |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11503397)
Or Syria? Where we didn't poke our nose's in and now have ISIS and 3 million refugees
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503402)
Not a good choice seeing as it was ISIS amongst others we would have been helping.
ISIS moved into the vacuum left when the pro democracy movement had been all but destroyed or fled. We are culpable here |
Originally Posted by stipete75
(Post 11503187)
There is no terror threat! Simples.
The only terrorists you need worry about are the US government and our very own UK government, the greatest terrorists planet earth has ever seen. 99% of what you read and hear about Isis, Gaza,Ukraine,Russia,7/7, foley etc etc etc is fabricated by our very own government. Reasons...........more power more control. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11503405)
Not really.
ISIS moved into the vacuum left when the pro democracy movement had been all but destroyed or fled. We are culpable here |
It's not ISIS per se but 'generation jihad', the thousands of young british muslims who harbour a massive grudge against the west and not a small amount who will act on that.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503399)
I see I should have added the word militarily.
Gaza was/is awful, but are you saying we should get involved on a military level? Not bloody likely especially seeing as Osborne can't even be bothered to speak to the members of the Israeli administration he knows well. It is a travesty we didn't get diplomatically involved, but militarily .. no thanks, that was up to the UN to get a co-ordinated response, but as usual they just decided to stand on the sidelines complaining how awful it all was.
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11503401)
But they didn't know that 4 weeks ago, 4 months ago or ever!
We have reports of hundreds of British jihadists now fighting in Syria and Iraq who, in the event of IS being disbanded, could return to carry out retaliatory acts of terrorism on British soil and we have no idea of the identities of these jihadists. No evidence has been published as to why the alert has been raised, but this does not mean it does not exist. Would it not be reasonable to assume that in publishing the evidence would only give away what intelligence we have and their sources to the terrorists/jihadists? Besides what use is an alert system that only reacted after a terrorist act? I don't have the answers and these sort of things aren't as "black and white" as we would like it to be. |
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