For anyone unsure of the history of it all, this pretty much puts it across as simple as possible.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=682855851805542

I'm with F1 on this.

How many Palestinian would have to be killed before the 'ratio' becomes important... 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000?? bearing in mind that thus far FOUR Israeli's have been killed by Hamas rockets.

Now I'm not for one second condoning Hamas's actions, but there is at the heart of this issue a terrible injustice.

Israel cannot hide behind Hamas, their government is guilty of terrible crimes...

Maybe, but with the advanced US weaponry of the Israeli forces and intelligence, you'd think they'd be able target Hamas more accurately and with precision. Yesterday, more 30 Palistinians were killed with at least 15 of them children sheltering at another school despite 17 warnings from the UN that it was in use by hundreds of families. The Israelis knew who was sheltering at the school but they shelled it anyway.

So maybe it's nothing to do with Hamas's ability, and perhaps its more to do with Israel being indiscriminate.

Any western state would do the same if in the same predicament. Would you tolerate 3000 rockets being fired into England every year? One can only imagine the hysteria in the Daily Mail about the affect on house prices. The military isn't a justice system, it is ugly and brutal and is designed to do horrible things.

Yes, but most Western states aren't occupying land rightfully owned by another nation and haven't been grabbing more and more land over the last half century. They also don't operate a two tier state where one section of their society gets first class treatment and another section is treated like dirt with a whole heap of inhumane restrictions placed upon them Oh hang on there was one state like that... it was called South Africa!

Most of the rockets are intercepted by Israel's Iron Dome Defence system. On the other hand, would you tolerate all the land around you being seized and you and your friends and family's possessions and home being bulldozed into the ground, for you probably not since your home is rented, right? If not the property, would you tolerate thousands of UK civillians, many of whom would be innocent children being killed and accept it as nothing more than just collateral damage?

You are a bad man :D

His account is active, so no it is not fake!

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Well you know my feelings on heaven and hell Banny, but if there is a hell, he will be paying it a visit if the above is true.

Sounds like you are absolving Israel of any responsibility for their actions?

I ask again, how many innocents have to die, before you change your view on this?

That nation you are refering to has never existed. They didn't start calling themselves 'Palestinians' until the 70's.

As for a two tier state, the 'Palestinians' are not Israeli citizens nor do they live in Israel so what are you talking about?

You are getting confused between the declared State of Palestine and the historical region of Palestine and its people which pretty much goes back to at least 1150BC

No, but they are controlled, manipulated and generally oppressed by the Jewish state of Israel so they may as well be thought of as their 'blacks'

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Israeli soldiers are renowned for being trigger happy.

I'm just being a realist. There is nothing unusual about what they do. They protect their own people.

The Arabs of the British Mandate do not go back to 1150 BC, they arrived there during the Arab conquests. They don't have a unique language or culture they are just levant Arabs same as Jordanians.

You must be pretty gullible banny.

So okay, your saying because Palistine has less of a right to exist than isreal, it's perfectly reasonable for isrealii to extend its boundaries at will

Is that it?

I see they're pulling in thousands of brethren / rich new yorker etc zionists from all over the world to "defend" and extend the promised land

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005.

They protect there own people from

children playing next to the sea, so they blow them up.

Disabled people being cared for in there day centre, so they blow them it up.

Women and Children seeking safety at UN Schools, so they blow them up.

People going about there shopping in a market place so they blow them up.

This makes them feel safe :mad:

Ultimately you believe what you want to believe

A while back I posted about the Syrians slitting the throats of children and now ISIS deter their enemies by putting severed heads on posts outside towns. Not headline news anymore though. I believe Hamas is quite capable of storing missiles in civilian areas and put their own political zeal before a concern about their people. I am not too sure why Israel can't use its land army to scour the streets of Gaza and look for missiles rather than blowing the place to bits.

Peace in Gaza might just be achieved if Israel lifted its blockades and someone like UN could be brought in to supervise imports and stop too many weapons being brought in. Hamas could then save face by claiming that they had "won" and stop it's rockets.

Obama needs to get into gear in the Middle East generally as it's one huge, complicated and extremely dangerous mess at the moment. Not an easy task but the USA must take a lead.

Death is sickening.

dl

Unfortunately nobody cares about the plight of the Christians in Iraq, at the murderous hands of ISIS, because they just aren't trendy enough as a cause.

Hamas are made of the same stuff as ISIS by the way, the same ideologies and beliefs.

Isn't that the role of the Peace Envoy to the Middle East.....oh wait, he's too busy throwing a party to honour himself celebrating his 20th anniversary since he first became Labour leader.

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No it's the role of Obama or the UN head. dl

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As an aside Blair got Labour back into power but Miliiband will make sure that they are kept out.

Except he never said that.

Lots of mis representation and distortion of the facts in this thread, but directly quoting someone is wrong.

Suggest you stick the the way the usual candidates on this thread have presented things as fact and say "Obama thinks Netanyahu is a liar and cannot be trusted". This way everyone on this thread cannot actually dispute what you have said and several others will take it away and pass it on to friends as "US thinks Israel lies and no one trusts them".

You can't really stop hooligans where ever they are, isis et al

Palestine v isreal certainly isn't trendy in my book, it's been going on for as long as I can remember anyway.

I apologise for using the Obama quote, my comment is incorrect.

I was using it from memory with out checking it up to make sure it was correct.

I have looked it up online and found it was Nicolas Sarkozy and Barrack Obama that made comments about Netanyahu.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...iar-Obama.html

What do you think they've been doing the past 3 weeks? If they didn't have boots on the ground, they certainly wouldn't have incurred the close to 4 dozen military casualties that they have since this last round of fighting kicked off.

And for anyone else reading, no, I'm not going to get drawn into a debate over whether their response has been proportionate and all the rest of it, life's just too short to spend umpteen hours thrashing that one out.

I bet these ******* terrorist israelis fire rockets themselves,to put blame on hamas, so they can retalliate and wipe out the whole of palestine to keep forthemselves...all media and our governments support these terrorist who are doing the exact same as saddam and the rest of the tyrant rulers...because our governments are pro israel they have to paint israel as a innocent to get sympathy from the world