I've not said that farmers cry when they send a cow to slaughter,in fact it can be a good feeling when you get paid. The example I gave was when a farmer had failed because the cow died in pain with no profit and is seen to be wast of there life/profit.

But its not my moral high ground thats being discussed,its people who eat halal/subway.

By the way I'm I right in thinking that people who eat halal do so because they feel that it IS the moral high ground. So where I've been going wrong all these years is I didn't say a pray when killing animals,if only I had spoke to the animals first I could have avoided going to hell.

I don't try to justify my actions by pointing fingers,I've had to defend my ways in the past and will have to again one day. My I suggest that you take responsibility for your own actions and give some real defense.

Here you go. This will get the pizza munchers foaming at the mouth:

Pizza Express Use Halal hicken but don't tell customers!

Now, my only question is this: are Pizza Express breaking the Equality Act by not informing people that the chicken is halal?

If you were to believe that halal killing is wrong, and you live your life on a daily basis, choosing not to eat any halal, but visit Pizza Express and you find out that you cannot eat the chicken as it is halal, or you have eaten it in the past without seeing anything to tell you it was halal, do you consider they are discriminating against you?

Are companies/establishments converting to Halal for commercial reasons or as to not offend a quickly growing portion of the population?

Sh!t!! is this still going, didn't realise people were so passionate about a bit of pork. Has anyone mentioned Nazi's yet? :lol1:

And in trying to justify animal cruelty by reference to other non Muslim incidences of cruelty you're hardly on the moral high ground either.

Fact - most decent human beings would find the practices shown in those videos abhorrent.

Fact - Most if not all Muslims seem to find Hahal killings quite acceptable.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And arguing your case on that basis is pathetic.

A Halal killing is cruelty justified by an outdated belief. Entertain me here - what exactly is supposed to happen to a Muslim who eats non halal, non blessed meat with a bit of blood in it?

Do they spontaneously combust? if you're male does your cock drop of?

Cruelty is cruelty, in whatever from you try and dress it up

I did not attempt to justify animal cruelty in any shape or form. Please don't make sh*t up.

And damn right too! It IS acceptable. You might consider it cruelty but then again i appreciate the fact that you've most likely been spoon fed a load of tripe by the red tops and other right wing jutjobs but that does not excuse your lack of knowledge.

Incorrect, it is a method. The fact that my 'outdated' method had consideration for animal welfare well over a thousand years ago makes... well....

I don't know. I don't care. Seriously... i do not care about you or what happens to you if you eat the wrong meat nor do i care. Why should i? You are a complete stranger to me and out of politeness i wish you well but in reality i could not give a damn if your cock dropped off.

I really don't think there is anyone offended by non halal meat being offered at a restuarent. In fact... the people who seem to be doing all the moaning and complaining are not the Muslims :lol1: How Ironic :D

What a self rightous hypocrite you are!!

Whats even more abhorrent is feeding animals the dead remains of their parents!!:mad:

These so called humane practises brought us mad cow disease and foot and mouth!

Cows are also now being fed chicken faeces! You want to eat sh1t thats your perogative, I will happily go to a halal subway.

Like Ive said numerous times on this thread, which you have chosen to ignore in order to justify your own prejudice, it was a purely commercial decision.

185 out of 1700 shops, hardly an attack on the queen.

Disgusting

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/footage-...rage-1.1697718

How about considering the fact that it might be you that's been spoon fed the tripe...

I have considered your opinion and come to the conclusion that it is almost certainly tripe... fed from the bottom :hjtwofing

Now i'm glad i have never knowingly eaten ham/pork/bacon.

In fact... makes me wonder what the hell meat plant folk do to the rest of the animals we consider dinner....:(

Raw nerve?

Ladies and gentlemem i do believe we've unearthed an extremist :lol1:

In what way does any of that make me a self righteous hypocrite?

I'm not condoning ANY of these practices. What part of "abhorrent" did your narrow minded attitude miss?

So you're saying its ok to be cruel, just as long as you're not eating chicken ****. None of it is ok. But you carry on hiding behind whatever belief suits your agenda

If you can change a plug does that mean you know how to be an electrician. Or maybe your good with the old laptop, but does that qualify you to work in I.T.

IMO too many people think that they know all about the real world of farming just because they have watched country file. If you spend a little time on you tube you can find any video to suit your cause.

This country for the most part has very high standards in food production. The farmers of this country whether arable or live stock work very hard(about 70-100 hours a week with no day of for months at a time)and are passionate about what they do,its their life.

I can tell you that a lot of the bad press is misleading. I was with my family in Llandudno and there was a animal cruelty campaign against dairy farms(I am a dairy farmer). It had a big 8ft poster of a dead cow being dragged in to the back of a truck as a sign of cruelty.What they didn't tell you was that no farmer whether a cruel s**t or a kind man would ever want to see one of their cows going of the farm this way. It cost money to have the dead cart come and collect a dead cow and offers no return.

The standard in this country is very high and is something we can all be proud of. Their is always room for improvement but in the worldwide scheme of things were at the top.

Halal meat that is supplied by our big high street chains (subway/tesco etc) is usually to a high standard and the animal is usually stunned.

The problem is that a lot of halal meat is not produced to such a high standard and a lot of the meat is imported from places only my worst thoughts have visited.

I would be happy to see shops selling halal meat if it was to a high standard but i feel that by supporting halal meat I am also condoning its practices on the whole.

I have also read peoples thoughts on discussing who has or does not have the moral high ground. To discuss such things there must be some benchmark from what we can take our views from. It is my opinion that on a world wide scale we are one of the country's leading the way in animal welfare. It is on this basis that I think people of the u.k can take the moral high ground,if not us then who?

It goes into doner kebabs!

You do know the holocaust never happened .....:cuckoo:

Do you know what? I would love to disagree with you for arguments sake but that's a fairly balanced statement.

I pretty much agree with most of what you said. I think halal is fine, you obviously don't however meat to a high standard? I think we can agree on that as a starting point.

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Fcuk all the above.....


Who mentioned a kebab :lol1:

Describes Islam as outdated, then calls someone else narrow minded. Hmmmmm :wonder:

What have you done to the real Chris jt?
I agree with pretty much everything you say. Good post. Balanced, insightful and articulate.

Don't be fooled, he has a fridge and a rusty swing in his back garden

Quote 'I can tell you that a lot of the bad press is misleading. I was with my family in Llandudno and there was a animal cruelty campaign against dairy farms(I am a dairy farmer). It had a big 8ft poster of a dead cow being dragged in to the back of a truck as a sign of cruelty.What they didn't tell you was that no farmer whether a cruel s**t or a kind man would ever want to see one of their cows going of the farm this way. It cost money to have the dead cart come and collect a dead cow and offers no return. '

I know it's ludicrous the lengths people will go too to mis-inform the public.
How else are you supposed to move a dead cow?
You would need a f88king big stretcher & about 20 people too lift the cow!:D:cuckoo:

It's great to see that the vast majority of the public are opposed to this barbaric practice. Hopefully it's only a matter of time until there is a complete ban on all halal (and kosher) meat in the UK.

In the 21st century animal slaughter should always be done with the most humane methods available, and religion should play absolutely no part in this.

Think halal meat is banned in Denmark, don't know if that is a god thing or not.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-9135580.html

"Denmark’s government has brought in a ban on the religious slaughter of animals for the production of halal and kosher meat, after years of campaigning from welfare activists."

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This says it all really. Well done the Danes.

When are we going to ban factory farming then?

It would be good to see a ban, and clearly a lot of people feel strongly about it. When I buy eggs I pay more to get free range because of the animal welfare. I am able to tell which eggs are free range and which aren't because they're clearly labeled as such.