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Scott STi V4 01 December 2011 03:17 PM

Best place to buy a HID kit from?
 
Where's the best place to buy a HID kits from for my classic?

ashwrx 01 December 2011 03:20 PM

mid night styling

Scott STi V4 01 December 2011 03:22 PM

What's the best make and brightest? I understand there not legal anymore either

swaynie 01 December 2011 03:30 PM

I would go for 6000k bulb as there the nicest colour there not the tacky blue that all the chavs run and they give off a nice white light which is more usable.

Also fitting these without projector headlights will make your beam scatter and blind oncoming traffic and will make your headlights look pants.

alcazar 01 December 2011 03:30 PM

I assume you've done the usual searches about just how good these things are?

There are loads of threads on here about decent dip/cr@p main beam, poor focus etc.

You can't polish a turd: Scoob lights are crap. Brighter bulbs, HID kits, no matter what, yes, you'll likley get more light of the road, but more scatter too.

Best bet is to fit projectors into classic crystal lights........ have a look on the archive forum, top thread.;)

Scott STi V4 01 December 2011 04:37 PM

Wow that was a read!!! Okay, ill re-phrase my question.......whers best place to buy projectors? Lol

alcazar 01 December 2011 08:08 PM

www.theretrofitsource.com.

They are in the USA, but will do them for RHD cars too.

The guy there is an absolute mine of info and very helpful.

DO be careful, if ordering, to spec RHD or they will be for the USA market and quite wrong for ours.

If you want any help with the instal, let me know.

sonicvr6 01 December 2011 08:13 PM

there is one on hear for £35 if you have a look

alcazar 02 December 2011 12:04 AM

One what sonic?

sonicvr6 02 December 2011 12:26 AM

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...4-hid-kit.html

joey_turbo 02 December 2011 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by sonicvr6 (Post 10360628)

Thats not a projector kit.

sonicvr6 02 December 2011 01:08 PM

he didnt ask for one i spotted it a wile back as need a second kit for main beam but they need to be h1's

joey_turbo 02 December 2011 01:33 PM

He did:


Originally Posted by Scott STi V4 (Post 10359841)
Wow that was a read!!! Okay, ill re-phrase my question.......whers best place to buy projectors? Lol


Anything other than projectors in a classic is going to cause problems. Not for the driver, but for oncoming traffic.

darms 02 December 2011 02:06 PM

Retrofit all the way mate
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../IMAGE_051.jpg

greenfumb 02 December 2011 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by darms (Post 10361131)

they look the nuts how would i get a set of these for my classic :thumb:

alcazar 02 December 2011 07:47 PM

Buy a set of crystal lights, then buy a set of projectors, ballasts etc from the USA here: www.theretrofitsource.com, then DIY or pay me.

chocolate_o_brian 02 December 2011 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10361667)
Buy a set of crystal lights, then buy a set of projectors, ballasts etc from the USA here: www.theretrofitsource.com, then DIY or pay me.

I can vouch for Jeff's handy work on his car. Chavs run these scattered HID kits on normal lights - it's dangerous and rightly becoming illegal. Fit them properly or not at all IMHO, and ignore traders with 'vested' interest!!

sonicvr6 02 December 2011 08:07 PM

there illegal on any car without self-leveling light's got mine in projectors

chocolate_o_brian 02 December 2011 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by sonicvr6 (Post 10361706)
there illegal on any car without self-leveling light's got mine in projectors

I remember seeing them when we met ;)

sonicvr6 02 December 2011 08:22 PM

really good at night

alcazar 02 December 2011 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by sonicvr6 (Post 10361706)
there illegal on any car without self-leveling light's got mine in projectors

Not true.

Self levelling and cleaning MUST work, but only if fitted.

Read the law, sonic.

sonicvr6 02 December 2011 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10361755)
Not true.

Self levelling and cleaning MUST work, but only if fitted.

Read the law, sonic.

it says that they are not alowed if not factory fit

alcazar 03 December 2011 10:48 AM

No mate, it doesn't.

We've had the new regs posted several times on here, and everyone was clear, the wording said that if fitted, those items must work.

Here you go:
[B]Vehicles equiped with HID or LED dipped beam headlamps MAY be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspesnsion or headlamp self levelling system.

Where such systems are fitted they must work; however it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases the benefit of the doubt must be given.

Method of inspection -

Where HID or LED dipped beam headlamps are fitted, switch on the headlamps and check the operation of any headlamp levelling and cleaning devices.

Reason for rejection

A headlamp levelling or cleaning device inoperative or otherwise obviously defective.
[/B]

JonMc 03 December 2011 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10362294)
No mate, it doesn't.

We've had the new regs posted several times on here, and everyone was clear, the wording said that if fitted, those items must work.

+1, the wording is quite clear...


Originally Posted by MOT Inspection Manual - 2012
Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system.
Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.
Headlamp washers may work in conjunction with the windscreen washers (when the dipped beam headlamps are switched on) or by a separate switch.
HID lamps may be identified by:

taking a few seconds to reach full intensity

having a bluish tinge to the light

having an igniter module/inverter behind the headlamp

having ‘DCR’ marked on the headlamp lens.
HID headlamps use high voltage and extra care should be taken when inspecting these items.

It is down to an assessors view whether or not a mod is inappropriate and as long as aftermarket HIDs are properly fitted there should be no issue...

davedipster 03 December 2011 05:13 PM

I have been put off of HID's until now, but the wording above is very clear.
You do not need leveling or washer systems, but if you have them they must work.
Abit like if you have a rear wiper it must work, if you have a spare wheel it must be legal etc...

Credit card at the ready, I'm getting some now.

dipster

swaynie 03 December 2011 06:30 PM

The presence and operation of these headlamp cleaning and levelling devices has been added to the test. Therefore, if a mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device is missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective, the vehicle will fail.


This raises the question of whether these checks apply to vehicles fitted with after-market HID lighting kits. These kits convert conventional halogen headlamps to HID Xenon and they are widely sold and fitted to vehicles used on the road. The Department for Transport considers that after-market systems should be required to meet the same safety standards as that applied in respect of these lamps at vehicle Type Approval. Therefore, in order to pass the MOT test, vehicles fitted with after-market HID systems would also need to be fitted with headlamp cleaning and self-levelling systems. Some high specification estate cars are fitted with a selflevelling suspension system and this would be considered as adequate for the purpose.

It is also worthy of note that a few high performance vehicles fitted with HID headlamps that have barely any luggage space and stiff suspension do not require a self-levelling system

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...3-lighting.pdf

JonMc 03 December 2011 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by swaynie (Post 10362840)
The presence and operation of these headlamp cleaning and levelling devices has been added to the test. Therefore, if a mandatory headlamp levelling or cleaning device is missing, inoperative or otherwise obviously defective, the vehicle will fail.


This raises the question of whether these checks apply to vehicles fitted with after-market HID lighting kits. These kits convert conventional halogen headlamps to HID Xenon and they are widely sold and fitted to vehicles used on the road. The Department for Transport considers that after-market systems should be required to meet the same safety standards as that applied in respect of these lamps at vehicle Type Approval. Therefore, in order to pass the MOT test, vehicles fitted with after-market HID systems would also need to be fitted with headlamp cleaning and self-levelling systems. Some high specification estate cars are fitted with a selflevelling suspension system and this would be considered as adequate for the purpose.

It is also worthy of note that a few high performance vehicles fitted with HID headlamps that have barely any luggage space and stiff suspension do not require a self-levelling system

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...3-lighting.pdf

The MOT test manual conflicts with this information and does not mandate either self-levelling systems or washers, only that they must work IF fitted, again info lifted from to new MOT manual on the VOSA website...

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...n%20Manual.pdf (page 1.7)

alcazar 03 December 2011 06:47 PM

As above.

The DoT got it's knickers in a twist and issued it's ADVICE.
Then, in came European law and their advice was shelved.
The new manual makes it clear that ONLY if such items as self-levelling and cleaning are fitted, should they be tested.

Mine has cleaning and DRIVER levelling, electrically, so who knows?

JonMc 03 December 2011 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by alcazar (Post 10362871)
Mine has cleaning and DRIVER levelling, electrically, so who knows?

Mine will have both come MOT time - simple piece of engineering to adapt these.

alcazar 03 December 2011 09:22 PM

I don't suppose you'd like to post a "how to...." John?

I'm sure I'd not be the only one interested.;)


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