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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
(Post 9734313)
India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station. The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed. The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out. Please take time to absorb the numbers above The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around. In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant. all IMHO. Brilliant post. |
I love the idea of Saxo Boy looking at the universe and humanity this way and will politely remind him of this post when he next goes into a four page diatribe about which Steam Iron to buy :D
To be fair, he doesnt do that these days so much ! |
What steam iron I buy won't matter to the world/universe....but it does matter to me. I want smooth t-shirts and no water surge when negotiating collars and cuffs :D
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Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
(Post 9734048)
and that's a post of the working troll.... If the insults could be kept to a minimum?
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Originally Posted by Lee247
(Post 9734513)
It's all about freedom of choice.
I chose to eat meat as I enjoy it. I never think how the animal was killed so I can enjoy my roast. Callous, maybe. I am not interested in these folks who seem hell bent on seeing us all not enjoy anything in life. It seems anything that is remotely pleasurable, is bad for us. Veggies, I have no problem with. It is their choice. Who is to say if they are healthier than meat eaters. We have a Veggie friend and I am always astounded that she goes on about veggie bacon and sausauge :cuckoo: If she is so against meat, why does she want to eat something that looks like meat. Oh, veggie bacon really doesn't do it. No matter how hard they try. Trust me on this. However - the sausages... well apart from the 'proper' ones you get from the butchers. Frankly I could eat the damn' things on sale in a supermarket there's so little meat in the soggy cereal bars. the veggie ones aren't half bad, don't expect them to taste like the meat ones, but really the flavour is very enjoyable. |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9734975)
A bit selective aren't we? :lol1:
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Excellent post.
Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
(Post 9734313)
India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station. The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed. The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out. Please take time to absorb the numbers above The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around. In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant. all IMHO. |
Originally Posted by Trout
(Post 9734551)
I am a peskytarian ;)
Out of interest, what came first, your adherence to Buddhism or your moral position around animal cruelty/vegetarianism or were the two parallel and symbiotic? :) |
Originally Posted by Trout
(Post 9734551)
I am a peskytarian ;)
It is nothing to do with what fish or animals feel. It is only to do with my personal* experience that I feel healthier.
Originally Posted by kingofturds
(Post 9734705)
Hang on a minute was it not you that posted pictures of yourself ripping fish out of their natural habitat by a metal hook a few months back.all in the name or sport. Lets talk about the morality of that ;)
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 9735015)
Afternoon, Trout.
Out of interest, what came first, your adherence to Buddhism or your moral position around animal cruelty/vegetarianism or where the two parallel and symbiotic? :) I do study Buddhism as a philosophy and it is meaningful to me, but I am not a Buddhist per se. |
Originally Posted by Trout
(Post 9735088)
As I said above what I eat is a completely personal health choice rather than an ethical, cultural or religious choice.
I do study Buddhism as a philosophy and it is meaningful to me, but I am not a Buddhist per se. |
Indeed it would ;)
Although in Bhutan the Buddhists there fish for trout ;) |
Originally Posted by Kieran_Burns
(Post 9734980)
It's not that she WANTS to eat something that looks like meat, it's because the people selling it want it to... to appeal to a wider market.
Oh, veggie bacon really doesn't do it. No matter how hard they try. Trust me on this. However - the sausages... well apart from the 'proper' ones you get from the butchers. Frankly I could eat the damn' things on sale in a supermarket there's so little meat in the soggy cereal bars. the veggie ones aren't half bad, don't expect them to taste like the meat ones, but really the flavour is very enjoyable. I always get our sausage from the butchers, can't be doing with that supermarket stuff. Come to think of it, I get all my meat produce from the butchers. You have just reminded me I had best get the Turkey ordered :D |
Originally Posted by Trout
(Post 9735338)
Indeed it would ;)
Although in Bhutan the Buddhists there fish for trout ;) |
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
(Post 9734313)
India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station. The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed. The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out. Please take time to absorb the numbers above The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around. In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant. all IMHO. mb |
But what about the veggies?
Surely they are killing the vegtables in the same way that meat eaters are killing the animals? |
Originally Posted by FlightMan
(Post 9734760)
:luxhello:
Brilliant post. |
Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
(Post 9734938)
What steam iron I buy won't matter to the world/universe....but it does matter to me. I want smooth t-shirts and no water surge when negotiating collars and cuffs :D
I mean it doesn't matter right...put into a 100 million years time-frame? |
Originally Posted by urban
(Post 9739499)
But what about the veggies?
Surely they are killing the vegtables in the same way that meat eaters are killing the animals? |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739520)
Vegetables aren't sentient.
Are you sure ... :Suspiciou :Suspiciou ... http://killertomatoes.com/mainFlash.asp ... Dave |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739520)
Vegetables aren't sentient.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739520)
Vegetables aren't sentient.
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Now don't be silly - the peas are dead by the time they get boiled.
I'm talking about when they dig the carrots etc from the soil? |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739520)
Vegetables aren't sentient.
Les |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739518)
Can you give me all your money and assets?
I mean it doesn't matter right...put into a 100 million years time-frame? |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739520)
Vegetables aren't sentient.
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Originally Posted by Trout
(Post 9734276)
That is a pretty big conclusion. My Indian friends that don't eat meat just don't have any experience of it. It probably grows out of a pastoral existence.
It is loosely religious, but there are plenty of Hindus who eat meat, just not beef! dbp, I know many Levis Original British hippies and veggie wannabes that buy fake sausages and fake turky in Tesco. Why do they bother with fake stuff??? That's fake vegetarianism IMO. Chicken, goat and fish will be fine, but people do not eat beef in India, and you are right. That will be due to very strong religious belief in cow's godly status, supported by their practical belief that cow's milk saves an orphan baby; virtually making cow the mother of the baby. I do feel guilty eating beef, but my logic wins my emotion, and I continue to bite on my juicy burger :cool: |
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Before the end of the last Ice Age, people only ever grew plants for fun, not because they had to. The catastrophic floods caused by the melting of the ice-caps and the resulting shortage of land put a stop to that forever, and agriculture began. |
Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
(Post 9739515)
But it's nihilistic, saying our choices are irrelevant.
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