Lateral have every right to defend their turbo's, and until some decent back to back tests with dyno graphs are produced then I'd be a little hesitant handing over more than a grand for a turbo that simply has one independant customer claiming its better than laterals offerings which have been proven time and time again.

Scoobyclinics turbo's may be the dogs nuts, but we simply dont know until the dyno graphs are out there from a few cars to back this up.

Laterals are what they say they are, proven.

yes but there would not be if scooby clinic wasnt involved,,,,,as i think scooby clinic had a part in getting them right

so this only says one thing to me scooby clinics are going to be better as there are right from the start,,,and there are not going to have to go to other people asking advice

just my thoughts

stu

Yes but even they are made by turbo dynamics????Not lateral

:cuckoo: So the rest of the dealers make there own :nono:

so what is the big deal it is a turbo and everyone has the right to build or buy one from whom they like and if the clinic wants to do there own then so be it all the power to them.Kev has been around a long time and has built that business up to what it is today:notworthy

I think what I and others have commented on here has been misunderstood, I'm in no way trying to put down scoobyclinic at all - they seem like an excellent company and asset to the subaru community.

I just do not see why Lateral are suddenly getting a hard time in this thread simply because they have made a few comments about how the comparisons between the turbo's so far have been made. As far as I can tell Lateral and scoobyclinic seem to have a decent relationship between them, lateral are just pointing out the comparisons so far have had discrepancies between them in engine spec or mapping ect. We know that laterals offerings are proven, as I have said before scoobyclinics may be just as good or even better but until they are proven so then its unwise to assume so. If they are what they say they are then the dyno graphs and cars will be out there as living proof in good time.

Yes but that is for Lateral and Kev to sort out not us on a open forum :wonder: :thumb:

didn't scoobyclinic do all the dyno testing and mapping on the development versions of the M321 turbo and make recomendations for modifications to try to improve it?

In a word. No.

Cheers,

Pat.

Perhaps I should elaborate a little :)

The MD321 pre-dates Scoobyclinic's existence so there was no involvement there. The MD321S and MD321L pre-date Scoobyclinic having a dyno so again no involvement....

The MD321Test was sent up to Scoobyclinic to be fitted to a car to be tested, quite separately from the testing that was being done on the demo car (in actual fact the MD321T was supposed to have been tested on a 2 litre not a 2.5). The design used a different approach to previous MD321* turbos so it was difficult to predict exactly what would happen. It was fitted to Scoobyclinic's demo car, spooled well, made good power and got the thumbs up... the design hasn't changed from the original prototype to the production units.

The MD321H happened because the results from the MD321T suggested it would be possible to sacrifice some flow for better spool. The MD321H was tested and found to do exactly what it said on the tin; spool sooner but not flow as much. Again no design change was made between the prototype and production units.

One could argue that the MD321H would not have happened if Scoobyclinic hadn't tested the MD321T, but given that all versions prior to the MD321T had been tested without Scoobyclinic's involvement it is a bit of a stretch of the imagination to suppose the MD321T would not have been tested at all were it not for Scoobyclinic's involvement. It most likely would have ended up on another car and would have been mapped, perhaps by another mapper, on another dyno, and comparable data would have been recorded, with the same outcome... the MD321H would still have happened.

Please don't get me wrong here. Scoobyclinic have spent a lot time and effort testing turbos for various suppliers, and I am not in any way trying to belittle that effort, far from it. The trouble is that sometimes two different people looking at the same thing see two different things :

From Scoobyclinic's perspective they have done a lot of work. Putting turbos on cars, taking them off, putting the cars on the dyno, mapping them, swapping injectors, remapping etc etc. It is only natural that they feel that they have been involved.... it has certainly cost them time and money to get the data!

From Lateral's perspective a test turbo was supplied to be fitted and tested, and the results relayed back to see whether it worked or not, and if not, how it might be improved. The MD321T worked, no improvement was necessary, so no "development" had been done, it had simply been tested and found to work. As a consequence of the results the MD321H happened

From my perspective I'de wanted to keep out of this one because it's a no-win situation, whatever I do or say I will upset someone, and unfortunately for me I happen to work closely with both.... rock, hard place... d'oh!

Hope this clarifies things a little :D

Cheers,

Pat.

Hi,
as I have said before this is not turbo wars, I have stated more than once the MD321T is a stunner, I ought to know we did the testing and I run one on my car, we simply want to offer an alternative.

The SC450 package was supplied with the MD321T, to make the package more in house and price competitive we sourced our own range of turbos which led to the SC series, currently running with the SC450 package on our time attack car, and on cars ( the ones with scoobyclinic livery ) in Scooby shootout last month at Elvington, in fact two cars will be in ten of the best and one or more as reserves again at Elvington.
Hopfully this will give us huge ammounts of feedback on relliability and performance, inc a few 1/4 mile times.

Lets try to keep this thread in check, its about an alternative turbo in the market place, thats all, and in my opinion theres not many direct fit turbos that do what the MD series and the SC series do on a Scoob.

Back to back testing will be done on my car as soon as work load permits,:thumb:

Cheers
Kev

Kev,

That's great, now that's all cleared up, maybe we'll see the end of the mis-information that's been posted up by some people recently !

Mark.

Any more info on this thread? Did scooby clinic run back to back tests with the SC42 / MD321H and the SC46 / MD321T?

I'm interested in either 321H or SC42, but not sure yet.

Anders

They both look like great turbos, and not much between them,