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Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11851624)
'A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.' Lao Tzu didn't mention what to do if the journey turns out to be fruitless though! We'll see.
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11851632)
Probably best to blame the EU for it!
That's again the Chinese way, blame the previous incumbents for all ills, Gang of Four etc. I also blame Heath and subsequently Wilson for getting us in there in the first place with a tissue of lies and a hidden agenda. Lying b@stards both. |
Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11851636)
That's again the Chinese way, blame the previous incumbents for all ills, Gang of Four etc. I also blame Heath and subsequently Wilson for getting us in there in the first place with a tissue of lies and a hidden agenda. Lying b@stards both.
The council is to blame if I trip over a paving stone, its not my fault for not looking where I was going, I had an import text to write! :wonder: |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11851642)
Well, it seems its also the British way! The "everyone is to blame except me" mentality!
The council is to blame if I trip over a paving stone, its not my fault for not looking where I was going, I had an import text to write! :wonder: Other thing is when people refuse to pay for the service; especially if it has been for the time being. My car insurer was pleasantly amazed when she heard me strongly agree with her, when she was informing me to charge me for the days I have my car insured with them; in case I change my insurer during the cooling off period. I also agree to pay small admin fee (it is small in compare to the larger annual sum) for it does cost them to administer my account and me moving on to another insurer would cause them a loss. That's regardless of them being a rip off. She said people simply don't like such reasonable conditions and don't want to pay in such circumstances. People liking things for free is also very, very common here. |
Originally Posted by warrenm2
(Post 11850783)
Dear All,
The referendum has been a battle of ideas between us, what is the best path for us as a country. I have been a part of that battle, I have been insulted and indeed have insulted others. I'm no saint, nor do I claim to be The battle is now over. It would be easy for me to gloat and crow, to settle old scores. However 13 months ago, I was where you are now. I had banged the drum for UKIP, with an end result of 1 MP. That hurt, and it hurt badly. I suffered abuse here for being proven wrong. I had to take it on the chin, there was no other option. The people had spoken. Reality had met my beliefs, and my beliefs were found to be flawed. So I licked my wounds. I learnt quite a few lessons. I stood up again, didn't quit, came back on here to the jeers, and argued my case all over again. I'll be honest. I had seen the very last polls on the night of the 22nd and it showed a 6 point lead for the Remain camp. I attended the count for my district on Thursday night. People asked me how I felt. My reply was "I fear for the worse and hope for the best". It was a momentous night. A true roller coaster. I ended up driving home in tears. The people have spoken. If you believe in democracy as I do, if you believe it is the fountain from which our freedom flows, then please, take a breath, take a good piece of reflection and understand that life is a journey, it has ups and downs. This battle is over. What is needed now is careful thought on the best way to achieve what has been voted for. I dare say there will be disagreements over the way to proceed, but that is healthy. Ideas are tested and the weak ones discarded. But please, the name calling, the vitriol, the moaning and whining must end. We must work on this project together. Finally as some of you may know I have have so many run-ins with Martin2005 that I have blocked his posts. However I did see one of them https://www.scoobynet.com/1035248-eu...l#post11850025 I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank you to Martin for that gracious post and he sets a positive example to us all. I highly commend his decency in his posting it. I know its not easy, but it takes a strong person to pick themselves up from a defeat like that. He is an example for us all What an insignificant, snivelling, oxygen thief you are.:sleep::sleep: |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11851630)
I asked at least twice what way weren't free
No one could ever tell me I liken it to those Koch Brothers funded tea party events in America Where you have a sea of people campaigning against free healthcare Some in wheelchairs some with those portable oxygen tanks and tubes up their noses Freedom to be poor and sick We were NOT free to deal with our criminals as we wished. Now we will be. We were NOT free to do as we pleased regarding supporting our industries...steel for one. Now we will be. Enough freedoms for you? |
Actually there was a Women on news in Sunderland worried about how her sons positions in engineering industry maybe affected now we are out the eu
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852120)
We were NOT free to ignore EU laws, rules and regulations. Now we will be.
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852120)
We were NOT free to deal with our criminals as we wished. Now we will be.
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852120)
We were NOT free to do as we pleased regarding supporting our industries...steel for one. Now we will be.
British steel: UK Government blocked EU plans to allow tougher tariffs on 'aggressive' Chinese imports David Cameron accused of failing UK steel after EU proposal rejected Steel crisis: UK blocked tougher EU rules amid shoe price rise fears So much for our freedom to support our industries! It seems the EU is far more willing to protect our industries than our own government is!
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852120)
Enough freedoms for you?
On another note, Alcazar, don't you have a property in France? I hope you don't like to make long visits there... Foreign nationals holding ordinary passports exempt from visa requirements Section 1.2 should be of interest to you! |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852120)
We were NOT free to ignore EU laws, rules and regulations. Now we will be.
We were NOT free to deal with our criminals as we wished. Now we will be. We were NOT free to do as we pleased regarding supporting our industries...steel for one. Now we will be. Enough freedoms for you? |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11852145)
Just as well Warren has resigned from Scoobynet. He would have ripped your head off for calling Mr. F a barwasturd. |
My guess he's been heavily promoted through the ranks, probably giving it tongues with one of yunkers subordinates trying "thrash" out a deal... ;)
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BTW, terribly embarrassing performance by F in front of the neighbours. He played the oppressed victim card on behalf of the UK with such aggression and blame that you'd now believe me when I say that the guy is not only a specimen for the work shy but also for the ones that follow the blame culture without any introspection and without taking some responsibility for it. The guy was so undiplomatic, rude and dramatic that you could read him like a book. Not that he didn't want to be read. He honestly doesn't give a f**k, he's unhinged! His post-speech facial expressions were of a defiant school boy who loves mouthing off his flippant mind as disgracefully as possible in front of his school master. Loves controversy and drama, that man.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11851497)
. You've mentioned "hug the enemy" before. Sinister.
"we need to destroy this village to save it" seem apt listening to Farage |
On another note, Alcazar, don't you have a property in France? I hope you don't like to make long visits there... Foreign nationals holding ordinary passports exempt from visa requirements Section 1.2 should be of interest to you! Just as they have consistently ignored EU instructions to stop allowing TVA to be at a far lower level on renovations. You lot are not only panicking, you are getting desperate. And as for steel, as you WELL know, Germny and Italy both relaxed all sorts of EU rules on energy prices, emissions and green taxes to aid their steel industries, shrugging and saying, "It's done now" when the EU told them they weren't allowed. The UK obeyed the EU and did nowt. Stop peddling untruths. https://www.scoobynet.com/images/cit...er_offline.gif https://www.scoobynet.com/images/cit...ons/report.gif https://www.scoobynet.com/images/cit...tons/quote.gif |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11852264)
you might recall me using the phrase, when describing the neo-conservative philosophy
"we need to destroy this village to save it" seem apt listening to Farage |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852265)
Just silly. They are NOT going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Just as they have consistently ignored EU instructions to stop allowing TVA to be at a far lower level on renovations. You lot are not only panicking, you are getting desperate. And as for steel, as you WELL know, Germny and Italy both relaxed all sorts of EU rules on energy prices, emissions and green taxes to aid their steel industries, shrugging and saying, "It's done now" when the EU told them they weren't allowed. The UK obeyed the EU and did nowt. Stop peddling untruths. And, you're also trying to tell me, that if the UK does not continue freedom of movement, France (and presumably the rest of the EU) will continue to allow full freedom of movement of British citizens, despite no reciprocal agreement? That France will create a special rule for the UK, to allow people more than 90 days stay in any 180 day period to all Schengen countries without the need to apply for a visa despite no such deal existing for any other non EU/EEA/EFTA country? Or perhaps you are trying to hint that you know full well, nothing is going to be done about immigration? |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852265)
Just silly. They are NOT going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
they have just passed a motion requesting we get on with it they want us to start NOW and not wait for the Tory party to get its sh1t together which actually begs the question - is the country worth more than the settling of internal Tory party squabbles seems not they have also said we will NOT get any special deals, I don't think (and certainly hope) that they won't be punitive (although I bet some would want do!!) now I am not naive enough to pretend that some of the EU statements are simply posturing but it is fantasy to think that the EU will give us everything we want I,e, SIGNIFICANTLY better than the Norway option if they do - I will happily start a thread announcing I was wrong (I always try to admit my mistakes) so you gave give me a kicking |
Originally Posted by JTaylor
(Post 11852267)
Our first clash if I recall correctly. Still, truth springs from argument amongst friends.
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11852274)
So, you're trying to tell me that its not true that the UK blocked higher tariffs on Chinese steel then? Despite all those links I posted stating the contrary? And you're saying this is not the reason why the UK steel industry is suffering, rather its the fault of Germany and Italy breaking EU rules following the fact that the UK blocked higher tariffs?
And, you're also trying to tell me, that if the UK does not continue freedom of movement, France (and presumably the rest of the EU) will continue to allow full freedom of movement of British citizens, despite no reciprocal agreement? That France will create a special rule for the UK, to allow people more than 90 days stay in any 180 day period to all Schengen countries without the need to apply for a visa despite no such deal existing for any other non EU/EEA/EFTA country? Or perhaps you are trying to hint that you know full well, nothing is going to be done about immigration? This is the over-confidence that the Brexiteers are showing. Farage spoke pretty much in the same terms today. Each and everyone of Brexiteers says that the UK is so well hard, prosperous and extremely capable on its tod that it can take on virtually anything, and everyone wants a precious piece of it. To Brexiteers, they are the geese with the special powers that enables them to lay the golden eggs, so why would France or anyone dare to put visa conditions on them. Alcazar had said before that him buying a house in France helps France's economy. If alcazar is forced to pull out or gets controlled by French immigration rules, it will be the France cutting their nose to spite their face and becoming deprived of his golden eggs. You know during this Brexit malarkey, a white British prominent ex scoobynetter called Britain a little Jack Russell who thinks that it's a f**king huge, wellard scary lion. :cool: He said that on FB. Made me smile. :D |
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Originally Posted by joz8968
(Post 11852509)
My brain also generates Phil and Grant Mitchell's images when this 'wellard' terminology pushes itself into some sort of context. |
I see the FTSE 100 has now caught up with and exceeded its pre referendum level. Just saying!
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So, you're trying to tell me that its not true that the UK blocked higher tariffs on Chinese steel then? Despite all those links I posted stating the contrary? And you're saying this is not the reason why the UK steel industry is suffering, rather its the fault of Germany and Italy breaking EU rules following the fact that the UK blocked higher tariffs? And, you're also trying to tell me, that if the UK does not continue freedom of movement, France (and presumably the rest of the EU) will continue to allow full freedom of movement of British citizens, despite no reciprocal agreement? That France will create a special rule for the UK, to allow people more than 90 days stay in any 180 day period to all Schengen countries without the need to apply for a visa despite no such deal existing for any other non EU/EEA/EFTA country? We'll see if they DO want to kill off the goose, won't we? What they SAY and what they DO are often diametrically opposed. At the mo they are trying to scare us...and you lot are sucking it all up. ARE we at war yet? Cam Moron said it could lead to war...LOL |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11852895)
Facile...there is actually no such thing as cheap Chinese steel. What there IS is expensive European steel. THAT is why Germany and Italy took unilateral action, NOT with stupid tariffs, but by relaxing energy, emission and green tax rules. Also business taxes. WE were not allowed to do the first three and refused to do the fourth.
You keep on believing that if it makes you feel better in your bitterness. You almost seem to be revelling in the doom and gloom, like many Bremainers...but hey, that's the British way, isn't it? We'll see if they DO want to kill off the goose, won't we? What they SAY and what they DO are often diametrically opposed. At the mo they are trying to scare us...and you lot are sucking it all up. ARE we at war yet? Cam Moron said it could lead to war...LOL |
Originally Posted by Paben
(Post 11852677)
I see the FTSE 100 has now caught up with and exceeded its pre referendum level. Just saying!
I think we're now seeing signs that the markets are gaining confidence that Brexit won't happen, or at lease we won't be leaving the single market. |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11852903)
FTSE 100 is mostly international companies. The FTSE 250 gives a better guide to the effect on UK businesses.
I think we're now seeing signs that the markets are gaining confidence that Brexit won't happen, or at lease we won't be leaving the single market. they react to much to "sentiment" and lets fact it - if the Government announced it was going to privatise the BBC, NHS all the national parks and remove all restrictions on workers rights the footsie would rocket |
Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11852900)
:lol: Nice rant without answering a single question! You could be a politician!
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
(Post 11852903)
FTSE 100 is mostly international companies. The FTSE 250 gives a better guide to the effect on UK businesses.
I think we're now seeing signs that the markets are gaining confidence that Brexit won't happen, or at lease we won't be leaving the single market. |
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