Yes, we'll see what happens.

Wonder how accurate this is?

http://pressreleases.responsesource....xit-are-we-in/

The Twattosphere ?!
How accurate are social forums by and large ?

I see your point, but I also believe there could be an element of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

350000 is a lot of data points

If you don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Here is the EU put simply.
A son goes to his Dad having saved up some money from his weekend job.
Son “ Dad I’ve saved up £350 pounds to buy the new laptop I need for my college course”
Dad “Well done son, give the money to me and I’ll help you”
Son “Ok now what?”
Dad “I will allow you £185 pounds back less my handling fee of £5 so £180 which you may only spend on a new phone”
Son “But I need a laptop!”
Dad “No, we’ve decided you can only buy a phone and you may only buy a phone from Germany and it must be pink. You must also source the phone within 2 days otherwise I will not release the money”
Son “But it’s my money!”
Dad “I’m afraid you are a member of this family and you must contribute to everyone else’s needs. I will decide how the money is spent”
Son “So what happens to the £165?”
Dad “Well your sister needs a new dress”
Son “She has already had many new dresses”
Dad “We’ve put it to the vote and I’m afraid you’re outvoted”
Son “But I need a laptop to continue my course!”
Dad “My decision is final”
Son “But that’s not fair, will I ever have a say in how my money is spent”
Dad “No, and by the way we’ve got a couple more people moving into your room and you’ll have to pay for their keep”
Son “Well I’m leaving then”
Dad “Don’t be like that lad, we need your money. And if you leave you won’t be able to buy a pink phone from Germany you’ll have to buy one here instead”
Son “I NEED A LAPTOP!” sums it up pretty well

This is telegraph survey with 300k+ votes. Pretty much mirrors all online surveys of around 70% in favour of leaving including scoobynets own.. Ratio 2 to 1

I believe there is no pressure at all in revealing your opinion online. But people are wary when talking to strangers/phone polls, about voting preferences

This is from a pro remain reporter in a left wing newspaper. He bangs on about the remain but the comments from this papers readers tells a different story of the under currents of feelings in this country. also see the percentage in their poll

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...s-lies-8079265

Around 50% of Scoobynet also went for UKIP at the last election. How did that end up?

More meaningless twaddle

They got over 3.5 million votes. Don't forget, no PR in a referendum ;)

Yes 3.5 million not the 15 million SN would of suggested

No, but I'm pretty sure there weren't wider online polls showing 70% support for UKIP back then, which there are for now for leaving the EU.

Self selecting online polls can be very misleading though (as I'm sure you know)


The real polls show this as very close, and ultimately I think this is going to be all about turnout. Low turnout, Leave has a great chance, High turnout, Remain will probably win

Depends on which poll you look at as to what the result is so is it better to consider a selection of them?
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/eu-referendum

Cameron was found wanting tonight and basically dis-believed by the public.

Pretty hostile reaction by the audience. His answers were repeating "Stronger economy in EU" whatever the question. He didnt deal with the first immigration question at all well. Clear fudging

Turkey wont be joining anytime some , that one ??

For those that missed it...

Thanks, I'm one of them who missed it.

On the News, it looks that Camo did quite poor tbh. Our Hodgy would have done much better.

I think Camo ought to up his game if he really wants the 'in' to win. He ought to exhibit himself as more driven and genuine on the issue; as opposed to all slimy, dithery and false. Otherwise, his 'most corrupt' childish reputation will be a compulsive flashback to the public, as soon as he starts to do his NLP coach directed performance on the stage. Otherwise, as a kid said from her sofa on the News today, the more he bangs about 'in', in his own ridiculous ways, the more people would want to vote 'out', just because they hate the moron.

Its too late for Cameron, everyone was turned off by his fantastic doom predictions. Then came the huge laughter from the audience when WW3 was mentioned.

Pretty much slapped down when a young student said she knows 'waffling' when she hears it.

He dodge every immigration point, the audience knew it, the country watched it.

lol, thanks but I very much doubt it tbh

I simply don't have that much unwavering self belief and lack of critical introspection to pull it off

I'm just glad that the Labourer Chuka Umunna remained a back-bencher or he could have been up on the stage (at the opposition's turn, of course), throwing his toys out of his pram and shouting to that Eng. Lit. student- "Look, you've made me cry! :cry: I can't handle it, CBA and I'm out of here!" and walked out! :lol1:

It's difficult to feel much sympathy for a politician being on the wrong end of someone's 30 seconds of fame. The 'waffling' comment was a nice soundbite, but clearly she was going to say that to whatever Cameron said.


Politician struck down by soundbite, has a nice ring of irony to it:lol1:

BTW, regardless, you would have talked substantially as opposed to talking like a mixed up fool (referring to Mr. C) on the public stage.

English lit student in trying to look clever in front of a crowd shocker. What ever next :lol:

One up from sociology I suppose :rolleyes:

LOL yeah. :D But Mr. Umunna would have put up much better entertainment, though. The guy is just not fit to be a politician because he's not thick-skinned enough to take slating. Labour would never have won any election for next 50 years as the punishment from public, if it were him on the stage! :lol1:

I'm sensing that you're not a fan:)

To be fair, that Eng. Lit. student has done no damage to C's credibility, her stint was only tomorrow's chip paper. C has done deliberate self harm by himself; on the issue. He should have presented his case with substance and conviction, but they were missing.

The arguments he put forward on the economy are/were compelling and should be listened to and answered by the Leave side.


He's on shaky ground on immigration because of the stupid pledge he made before the last election