u say that. but mines is 3 /4 months old and and now they are saying there is going to be a face lift coming out on 2007 :(

Eerm? Yes, I've heard of power to weight ratio, not sure you've grasped the concept though. If you use the figures you supplied (ie 300bhp and 1.26 metric tonnes for the scoob and 340bhp and 1.55 mt) then the power to weight ration for both cars are: Scoob - 238bhp/tonne; M3 - 219bhp/tonne.

Given these figures - and even the "very best LSD" I doubt the M3 would stay with the scoob?

Of course if your figures are wrong............................?:iamwithst

Well when I had my Focus RS (pre-Blufin) I had a play with an M3 on a dual carriage way, and although he pulled away from me, it wasn't at a very considerable speed. When I had it Blufin'd it would have been even less. So a modded St would easily give an M3 a good run, if not beat it.

I had a little do with a 06 plate ST last week as it goes.

The fella had his tasty Lady at the side of him as we joined the M1/A1 link road.

As soon as we got on the Motorway he stayed in the Middle lane, I just went straight into the outside and blitzed him.

We both pulled off at the next junction, up the slip road and both had to wait to pull off.

His Mrs looked out of the passenger window & smiled, I just winked with a straight face and pulled away, cool as you like.

Nice looking Girl, slow Car.:thumb:

Oh yes, he had one of those Nuremburg stickers on the back, I think he fancied himself as a bit of a speed demon.:D

Nuremburg stickers? I gotta get myself one of those bad boys, adds 5bhp.

98Uk with decat and a dawes device at 1.2 bar is probably running in the region of 250bhp (maybe a little more depending on which rollers you use etc, but either way significantly more than when it left the factory). New 2.5 WRX has 227bhp. Throw in nearly 200kg extra weight for the WRX, coupled with that power defecit, have a guess at the result ;)

As for ST vs M3 debate, a modded ST with 280bhp (easy enough with chip & intercooler) could have ~200bhp/tonne and a very wide torque curve, so it's not surprising if it can keep very close to a 219bhp/tonne BMW with a slgihtly peakier delivery, especially if the driver is a touch sharper. Remember too the ST doesn't have the higher transmission losses you get in a Scoob . . . . Of course, off the line particularly in the damp, 4WD will beat RWD will beat FWD, but how many times do people really launch their scoobs?

Horses for courses etc. I can see some significant benefits to the ST; although to my mind its main competitors are the VXR and forthcoming Leon Cupra (when that gets ~240bhp), it does a similar type of job to the WRX, being better at some things but worse at others. Compare one to a good STi / spec C, let alone a highly modified or Type 25, it'll lose, but that's not exactly a level playing field, is it?

scooby are a diffent kettle of fish. they are a top class rally car made for the road and i love them for that. even though i do like there new EVO 320. but dont know anything about it. maybe you peps could tell me how good/bad they are.

id like to see how a WXR vs ST round a track. think evo have done it this month but with a STI and it can back around 7 secs faster.

also can you get a 02 plate 3 door scooby my GF is on about she got 1 comming that is going to blow me out the water. lol.

Mattst280

Please tell me you're the bloke in the orange ST that I owned when you first bought it around the Romrord area:lol1:
remember? turning at North street lights? Shot through Petits lane and I backed off....then you shot past.....??

If not, i'm in the Essex area and would love to play.....:thumb:

dout it was me, i have these sticker on the side and a big one on the back window.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...6092006042.jpg

and some other pics
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...lling/09-8.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ling/09-14.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ber2006142.jpg

Are you sure??
I was in a Blue bug eye??

If not, shout me when your about......:norty:

then again, just seen your reflection and don't think it is you.....however my offer still stands....

Tripple G . sounds like a plan. what night you going to be about. but 350bhp. think you mite have the upper hand :norty:

this is me. and yes im only 21 and i have a fleet polacy £200 to insure the ST a year

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...hilling/ME.jpg

Well a boot is a boot.....i'm normally buzzing around with a couple of rex's, FQ340's and the like....:brickwall (if the rex's last their 20k miles before the pop :lol1: )

Not about until next week now but will have to as it always interesting to pit cars against eachother :thumb:

ill send you a pm with my mob number so then you can give me a txt if u want a play next week. think ill have to bring the GF she is a really scooby nut. and it would be nice to see a few scooby bodys put her in her place. as i know F all about scoobies. (she has spent the last 7 year on and off rally driving them) . yes it sucks having a GF that can drive better than you!

ha ha ha lol :lol1:
Chance would be a fine thing....my girl hates anything fast :Suspiciou but she's coming round to it....:norty:

No probs fella, she'll probably know more than me!
and I may well end up selling her mine :thumb:

dout you will sell it 2 her. she is saying that "hush hush" she has a 02 plate 3 door lined up. think it was 1 of her X rally cars. but she wont tell me much about it.

No probs....

catch you next week :thumb:

somw1 posted this up on our forum ;) just look at the 50 to 70 mph and does prove that the scooby is best of the line 4X4 wins again :norty:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...e/WRXtimes.jpg