Since when Anything ever forced down your throat ? Jesus gives you free will and choice.. 👍

lol.Unfortunately there were no Subaru garages a while back.

Hey,can you not believe in God and love fast cars?,or is that something I don't know about ?!

Can't see I have read a post forcing anything down anyone's throat,just a rather angry response;) lol .

I believe in God,I like the Alfa 4c too.>Funnily enough,most Italian car lovers and Italians would have a smile at us lot

And what happened to the nazis,do you think it was Jesus who did this,or do you think maybe it was mans evil desire for power and domination.that this came from the evil forces in this world that is alive in each and every ou e one of us.its our choice which side we are on

Very enlightening, and it explains a lot about you. Do you ever wonder what would have happened had you had the same experience but as a Muslim or Hindu who had lost his faith?

Hey Swati:luvlove:

It is true.And I have no idea where there should be two sides to a scenario where everyone wants peace and friendship.In fact the whole world needs a think now and again:)

Let's face it! Why has 'God' not shown himself on earth since 'Jesus' ?
Science is real. The End.


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Yes, I'm conscious of cultural influences and the effects of socialisation. In a Christian context, a seed was sown in my formative years. The subsequent potential for growth is alluded to throughout scripture. The paradox is that which exists between my own free will, the sovereignty of God and the interplay and tension between the two. Before I leapt to faith I would have said that I 'selected' Christianity from a smorgasbord of faiths and philosophies, but when I landed safely on the other side I looked back and could clearly see that it was God's sovereignty that led me, providentially and by grace, back in to His arms. An atheist would describe this as a fluke. I'm not an atheist.

Monkey nuts.

But surely Christianity 'selected' you because you were drenched in its preachings from childhood, as I was. Had you been raised in any other faith and then lapsed, it's probable that you would have returned to your original faith, not another. So you didn't find Christianity, you rediscovered it. This is not an accusation just an observation.

Oh, I understand your point completely, Paben, but as a theist and at risk of labouring my position, I accept that I was saved by the grace of God. It was His sovereignty and providence that placed me in His kingdom.

As an aside, I'm reminded of the story of the prodigal son.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...uke+15%3A11-32

Of course you understand my point, but perhaps you are side stepping the implications of it. You were saved by the grace of God, but for the sake of clarity you might now have been extolling the teachings of the Koran had your early experiences been those of Islam instead of Christianity. Is that not so?

It is so, but I wasn't. As Mr Bradford put it "there but for the grace of God, go I".

Are you a sinner if you don't believe ?

We're all sinners, Duncan, it's just that some of us are sinners saved.

Do not understand why the whole world makes being nice so blooming difficult.lol

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What exactly is your point? I was answering an earlier assertion that only Jesus's sacrifice was truly altruistic. The nazis are merely an illustrative point.

On your point about whether I think Jesus did anything, no, I do not believe he ever existed, and if a man did at that time who later became the Jesus myth, he certainly wasn't the son of any god imagined by humankind, so it is somewhat difficult for me to think Jesus is responsible for anything.

The myth of Jesus and some of the people who follow that myth have been responsible for plenty of misery, though.

The perfect point exactly, and I've often wondered why these people can't grasp the concept that they are only believing in a particular deity because that's the one they were 'taught' to believe in culturally. It's akin to supporting a certain football team because 'dad did'.
And also, if anyone had not have been taught scripture (of any kind) from birth then they would have no concept whatsoever of what a deity even is (from our perspective, obviously). I'm willing to bet that any remaining civilisations that haven't been force fed any of this hogwash have never felt 'his' presence in much the same way that they have never been touched by the FSM's noodly appendages.

No, because 'sin' is a made up religious word.
If you don't believe, you can't sin. :thumb:

I sometimes wonder what would happen if Jesus returned today. I fear his biggest problem would be with Christians who would probably be amongst the first to deny him.

I believe in God,but I despair at those who want a fight over it.lol

Chill ,non believers.Be happy with your choice .It isn't a problem:) and no one forces anything on anyone.

Just be happy :thumb:

Especially with his swarthy Middle Eastern looks!!!!

If jesus returned today it surely would be the end of days. As jesus said many will come before me claiming to be me.And yes Christians some are not prepared,and nobody knows the last day,Jesus said only my father knows the hour and time.So don't listen to rubbish about 2012 the end of the world etc,because only God knows the last day.the church is corrupt also it's lost it's way.Don't look look for safety in money,or buisness,or government etc because .god will shake it all.As jesus said my people are destroyed through lack of knowledge,not because the knowledge isn't provided to them,but because they choose not to learn it.

Since when you become a God botherer dyk?

After watching the England batting collapse.....Morgan out for 2 I think :-(

How can you be saved whilst still living in sin with a woman?

But then again I suppose your saviour lived in sin as well with Maria Magdalena so you're just following his example.

I surprised a man of your intellect and standpoint is a member of the armed forces, does this not put you into conflict with yourself?

Peace-and-friendship is an unrealistic expectation, if you consider someone disputing your belief as a violation of such.That's not what I meant. I meant that if God's being in any size, shape of form is nonsense to some, then their never ending 'same shyte, different day' arguments against that 'same shyte, different day' nonsense seems nonsense, too.

Frankly, a genuine God believer doesn't have to convey to the non-believers that many times, one way or the other that he/she believes in God, or why he/she believes on God. If they continue to do so, then obviously, they have a need to do so. But so-called 'rational' ones also have a 'need' to dispute God for all those times, and that's a bit concerning.

The rise of the New Atheism movement.