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DIPSY 09 November 2015 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by The Pink Ninja (Post 11758866)
If they don't have the TGV's like on the spec-c and it's a one piece manifold they use different rails can't comment on the JDM STi ;)


O3 onwards Jdm Sti twin scrolls has the one piece inlet manifold same as spec c

Gooch89 09 November 2015 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by 4u2nv2 (Post 11758857)
second that :wonder:.
when are you putting it on the rollers ????

Not being mapped until Friday afternoon now due to work :( Will get a delta dash power figure from that too for a reasonable estimate.

Also, did a bit of digging. As already mentioned, it's a one piece manifold so the injectors didn't fit :(

banny sti 09 November 2015 09:43 PM

If you have the funds then these will allow you to fit the injectors

http://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/st...-spec-c-models

ian12 09 November 2015 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by The Pink Ninja (Post 11758866)
If they don't have the TGV's like on the spec-c and it's a one piece manifold they use different rails can't comment on the JDM STi ;)

I believe there one piece manifold who makes direct fit injectors?

boosted 10 November 2015 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11758879)
If you have the funds then these will allow you to fit the injectors

http://rogerclarkmotorsport.co.uk/st...-spec-c-models

Wow that dear! £300, plus the pipe work and fitting, be half a grand!

banny sti 10 November 2015 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by boosted (Post 11758989)
Wow that dear! £300, plus the pipe work and fitting, be half a grand!

This was a quick search and of course there is RCM tax on them, probably could find some decent rails at half the price.

boosted 10 November 2015 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11758993)
This was a quick search and of course there is RCM tax on them, probably could find some decent rails at half the price.

Whats the differences(s) with the injectors? is there not something you can make to adapt them?

banny sti 10 November 2015 10:25 AM

It has nothing to do with the injectors they are all the same, its how the rail sits on the manifold. Differences in the manifolds shown in this thread

http://bbs.22b.com/forums/showthread...and-sti-7-mani

boosted 10 November 2015 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11759029)
It has nothing to do with the injectors they are all the same, its how the rail sits on the manifold. Differences in the manifolds shown in this thread

http://bbs.22b.com/forums/showthread...and-sti-7-mani

OK, im a bit confused, i thought the ID1000 injectors didnt fit the rail and thats why the op is keeping the sti pinks for now? but the injectors are the same you say?

banny sti 10 November 2015 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by boosted (Post 11759041)
OK, im a bit confused, i thought the ID1000 injectors didnt fit the rail and thats why the op is keeping the sti pinks for now? but the injectors are the same you say?

I'd hazard if he spaced his standard rails (assuming he has used his rails from his 2 piece manifold) adequately off the 1 piece manifold he could get the IDs to fit :thumb:

boosted 10 November 2015 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11759044)
I'd hazard if he spaced his standard rails (assuming he has used his rails from his 2 piece manifold) adequately off the 1 piece manifold he could get the IDs to fit :thumb:

washers and longer bolts :thumb:

Gooch89 10 November 2015 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11759044)
I'd hazard if he spaced his standard rails (assuming he has used his rails from his 2 piece manifold) adequately off the 1 piece manifold he could get the IDs to fit :thumb:

Rails are standard, as is the manifold. Widetrack Blob JDMs apparently came with the one piece manifold. Seemed that the bore for the injectors to sit in was not large enough. It was also 3am, so we gave up pretty quickly and left the pinks in :lol:

Having the pinks reflowed now and adding an FPR in the near future anyways.

banny sti 10 November 2015 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Gooch89 (Post 11759053)
Rails are standard, as is the manifold. Widetrack Blob JDMs apparently came with the one piece manifold. Seemed that the bore for the injectors to sit in was not large enough. It was also 3am, so we gave up pretty quickly and left the pinks in :lol:

Having the pinks reflowed now and adding an FPR in the near future anyways.

All you had to say was that is was 3am :lol1::lol1: That is strange though never heard of that issue before regarding ID1000s as they seem to be the go to injectors for anything up to 600bhp :confused:

Gooch89 10 November 2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11759055)
All you had to say was that is was 3am :lol1::lol1: That is strange though never heard of that issue before regarding ID1000s as they seem to be the go to injectors for anything up to 600bhp :confused:

A long day fitting everything and undersealing :lol:

Couple of pics below.

The injector seated in a TGV mani
Attachment 40483

In mine
Attachment 40484

Seemed like there was a little 'step' inside the bore where the injector seats that stopped in going in completely.

banny sti 10 November 2015 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Gooch89 (Post 11759057)
A long day fitting everything and undersealing :lol:

Couple of pics below.

The injector seated in a TGV mani
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psku872tpj.jpg

In mine
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psfbqj6ygh.jpg

Seemed like there was a little 'step' inside the bore where the injector seats that stopped in going in completely.

Picture paints a thousand words, going to see If I can find a definitive answer for you regarding fitment of the IDs. As the ID website only confirms fitment for US cars nothing else :)

boosted 10 November 2015 01:39 PM

the spray nozzle dia is probably too big, need to drill the through hole bigger in the manifold by the looks

ian12 10 November 2015 07:26 PM

Would these fit okay?? Denso 850cc
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...psfonjl6ka.png

gussy 10 November 2015 10:59 PM

Picture looks a bit odd I have id 1000 fitted in my spec-c manifold and they fitted no problem I know it was 3 in the morning but by chance on the second picture a bottom rubber of an old injector hasnt been left stuck in the bottom of the manifold ??? has it

Gooch89 10 November 2015 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by gussy (Post 11759319)
Picture looks a bit odd I have id 1000 fitted in my spec-c manifold and they fitted noproblem I know it was 3 in the morning but by chance on the second picture a bottom rubber of an old injector hasnt been left stuck in the bottom of the manifold ??? has it

No, definitely not. Nothing in the bore, no corrosion or anything!

gussy 11 November 2015 12:44 PM

I have had a look at mine this morning and going by the photo im sure my injectors never had that metal bushing or what looks like a metal bushing on the bottom like your injector has on the photo mine were the same as the oem at the base with a rubber bung hence the question regarding the rubber bung next question Im not doughting that they are id injectors but are they for an impreza ??? do you have a picture of them ???.

4u2nv2 12 November 2015 02:12 PM

waiting lol, hoping it gets you over that 400 mark, or close.
have you got a pic of the complete injector, that metal bushing looks a bit much, are you sure the metal part is ment to be on them ? perhaps its a bushing for a tgv mani and you remove it for the one piece mani (universal my mate). if the pinks fit both manifolds dont see how the 1000s dont.. best of luck my mate

Gooch89 14 November 2015 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by 4u2nv2 (Post 11759761)
waiting lol, hoping it gets you over that 400 mark, or close.
have you got a pic of the complete injector, that metal bushing looks a bit much, are you sure the metal part is ment to be on them ? perhaps its a bushing for a tgv mani and you remove it for the one piece mani (universal my mate). if the pinks fit both manifolds dont see how the 1000s dont.. best of luck my mate

Mapping done. Did two road dyno/delta dash runs to get figures.

First run 425bhp/381ftlbs
Second run 415bhp/396ftlbs

Fairly confident she's a 400hp car now! Goes like stink. A little laggier than the VF37, although it makes it for it when it comes on song. Torque is slid to the right ever so slightly too, but spools similarly to the VF37!

550 pinks at 93% duty!

Overall, a happy chappy!

Tidgy 14 November 2015 07:56 PM

Get it on a dyno dynamics rr and see how it does, butt dyno is notoriously inaccurate hahaha

banny sti 14 November 2015 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gooch89 (Post 11760610)
Mapping done. Did two road dyno/delta dash runs to get figures.

First run 425bhp/381ftlbs
Second run 415bhp/396ftlbs

Fairly confident she's a 400hp car now! Goes like stink. A little laggier than the VF37, although it makes it for it when it comes on song. Torque is slid to the right ever so slightly too, but spools similarly to the VF37!

550 pinks at 93% duty!

Overall, a happy chappy!

I seen andy f crying about your results and how inaccurate they must be :lol1:

Gooch89 15 November 2015 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by banny sti (Post 11760631)
I seen andy f crying about your results and how inaccurate they must be :lol1:

Yeah, he never realised that one of the delta dash figures that was posted was one of his own :lol:

RR's are only so accurate as well, my previous Blob STI made 345 on one, and about two weeks later made 363 :lol:

Dyno in the seat of my arse is telling me all I need to know at the moment!

Ollystiv4 15 November 2015 05:06 PM

I have a tdo5 20g billet kinugawa in my 98 sti, after 3 mapping sessions the third done by Paul blamiere on RCM's dyno the turbo stopped play at 360bhp I would advise anyone else to not bother there seems to be some that get results but the majority are cheaply made with crap actuators. The car has a Esl ecu 800cc injectors worked cyl heads RCM's manifold 340 LPG pump sti 8 bottom end etc

Tidgy 15 November 2015 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ollystiv4 (Post 11760977)
I have a tdo5 20g billet kinugawa in my 98 sti, after 3 mapping sessions the third done by Paul blamiere on RCM's dyno the turbo stopped play at 360bhp I would advise anyone else to not bother there seems to be some that get results but the majority are cheaply made with crap actuators. The car has a Esl ecu 800cc injectors worked cyl heads RCM's manifold 340 LPG pump sti 8 bottom end etc

untill the op has it on a dyno for a fairish comparison ten doubt it will be known.

Funnuest thin was guy turned up to an rr day a while back with a 380bhp car, uh, no 310 actualy lol

gussy 16 November 2015 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by Gooch89 (Post 11759057)
A long day fitting everything and undersealing :lol:

Couple of pics below.

The injector seated in a TGV mani
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psku872tpj.jpg

In mine
http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/...psfbqj6ygh.jpg

Seemed like there was a little 'step' inside the bore where the injector seats that stopped in going in completely.

As per my previouse post I came across this.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2758462

ian12 17 November 2015 06:40 PM

How reliable are dyno/delta dash runs to get figures?
And didn't know pink injectors would get over 400hp without An updated FPR.

The Pink Ninja 17 November 2015 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by ian12 (Post 11761787)
How reliable are dyno/delta dash runs to get figures?
And didn't know pink injectors would get over 400hp without An updated FPR.

They are a 'general idea' type of thing all depending on the correct car details and weight being put in so it is open to error, also flat roads help...not down hill ones :lol1:


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