Why would there be more?

isn't it the worry that the agreement we have with the French about processing asylum claims in Calais might not hold

As already noted , how often does france play be the rules

The French minister who started that scare story got censured, they said they have NO intention of going back on that, no matter what.

britain already gives state aid to every employer in the country that pays min wage to people with children, it's called CHILDRENS TAX CREDIT

true

so maybe the EU would see that as an unfair advantage - the ability of UK employers paying minimum wages due to the Tax Credit subsidy

and raise tariffs accordingly

why should German / French et al firms trade at a disadvantage with us

they don't do they, cheeper fuel cheeper electric/gas, a farmer customer was telling me a while back, he can't compete with french/belgium potato farmers, as the are lorried over here (no tolls) the driver/firm then does several collections/deliveries in the uk,making the farmers delivery of spuds almost free,as the mileage for the foreign lorry is miniscule as they hold more fuel than uk trucks and often have the cab heater tanks plumbed into the engine as well
just so people who say winging farmers again know.
the small salad potatoes you buy on a wrapped tray work out at almost £1300 a tonne in the supermarkets,
the farmer is lucky to see £85quid of that

Operative word, hodgy: maybe.

I don't quite understand any that

are basically saying your farmer mate cant compete with Belgium one cos theres no road tolls this side ...

and belgiums syphoning red diesel for his cab heater ??

Sure, but they would be pretty stupid not to bring it up in any trade negotiations

So is the argument we have tolls like they do on the continent?

I just blew 160 in tolls in Europe on one trip - so they ain't cheap

But you do get smooth empty roads - which is appealing

The French refuse to pay tolls, that is why they're empty. Just try the A/B roads which are free, they chocked with trucks and locals driving

I don't see how mr belgium manages to avoid his truck tolls




...and if he can then why cant uk guy

see above your last post, they don't use the toll roads, just like we don't, and the frogs just refuse to pay,
the delivery of spuds is almost a sideline, as they do multi drops and collections over here then take a full load back,they fill up with fuel over there and are allowed to hold loads more fuel than uk trucks are, thats why they hardly ever buy fuel in the uk, so we don't get any fuel tax from them, is all this honestly that hard to grasp, try asking your local tyre depot how many romainian lorry drivers call in and ask to buy for cash tyres that are men't to go back for retreading not just recut,

A better way for the uk would be a road vignette for foreign Vehicles to use our roads. Purchased online or combined with ferry/tunnel tickets. Imposed at the ferry/tunnel terminals.

No vignette or its expired: Fine only payable on the spot otherwise clamped and impounded.

Would that be with us in or out though

Presumably whilst "in" - we could not discriminate I.e the rule would apply to all HGV's, not just the ones from the mainland - I think that is a central principle of the EU

And if we are "out", then we could do it - but would be open to tit for tat charges by the EU

I don't really know. Is it legislated? The French used to have it as did some other eastern block countries.

Technically our current road tax system is a form of vignette. But only applies to indigenous vehicles. I suppose we could argue that to be indiscriminate it has to apply to all vehicles that are used in the UK so I reckon with some minor rewording of our current road tax system it could be made to include foreign vehicles on a visitor permit. So based on that I guess we could do this whilst staying in the EU.

yes interesting

and if it could be done it would be great

I think Belgium have introduced a satellite based system into HGV - which presumably targets ALL HGV's regardless of origin

v interesting



"The levy affects all HGVs of 12 tonnes or more that drive on UK roads, irrespective of country of registration.

The levy is structured in a series of bands which reflect vehicle type, weight and number of axles. UK operators will pay the levy at the same time as VED in one transaction for administrative ease. At the same time as introducing the levy, the government is reducing VED, such that more than 9 out of 10 UK vehicles will pay no more than now."


so sounds like it is already in place

Spot on,came into force about one month ago,its a digital box you mount on the window screen,and commercial vans are now having to pay.Was a big protest near charleroi vans blockading the roads.

The in camp are getting desperate with their scare stories...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36243296

Can I be the first to say here that leaving the EU won't start WWIII

Who's to say we can't be like the Swiss and shirk off any war involvement like they've done since the 1800s touting their neutrality as a reason not to get involved in anything.

I've been fairly neutral on this subject but when I read utter b*ll*cks like this, I feel like voting out just in pure spite at those who publish this tosh.

Thought wed had everything pulled out the bag , but no

Brexit could mean we'll be at war with rest of EU ..!!


weve got WEEKS before the vote - how are they going to fill

What a bunch of lying cnuts they are:mad;

Agreed, what a load of utter bollocks (and that's from a probable in voter).

Tbh I knew this was going to happen at some point, the whole debate would boil down to speculation and false truths. Then when it comes to the day there will be a vast number of people casting votes on something that they have no clue about the consequences of.

I was on the streets on Sat drumming up support for the Leave campaign, and this sort of thing really does annoy people. Almost universally, they thought that Obamas intervention was unwelcome (and thats the polite version). I see this falling into the same category, as demonstrated here. When the claims get this ridiculous, the average not sure voter thinks "fvck that, Im voting out".

EDIT: And also lets remember, 3 months ago, Cameron was telling us that if he didn't get the reforms he wanted, he would lead the OUT campaign. Now that same out campaign is going to lead to war. No one who previously took him seriously will do so now

Don't see why, he's the current leader of one of the largest and most powerful economies in the world. Why shouldn't he voice an opinion on the matter?

Ah, a cognitive dissonance moment! The thing is other people don't think like you

Its because everyone felt it was inappropriate of him to comment like that. The PM is not wading into the Presidential elections, not making veiled threats about getting to the back of the queue. Did Obama wade into the general election? This is a matter of a nation exercising its democracy to choose its future. ITS NONE OF ANYBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS! How dare foreigners interfere in a nations democratic process like that. Its not acceptable

That geezer who had spend 30k on an extra label for his smoked fish , to warn people it contained fish , was quite bizarre

just incase youd wondered onto the scene fork in hand expecting roast leg of lamb :freak3:

'everyone'??


Maybe he should of waited until after we voted to leave before telling us we'd have to wait for a trade agreement; then people would of complained that they wish he'd said something before they voted.


The real reason the 'outers' hated Obama's intervention is because they fear it, and have therefore gone to extraordinary lengths to rubbish it.