The Tax Rates are the same as anyone.

Tax Free Cars are an entitlement under the Status of Forces Act in Europe and is open to all soldiers or UK based civilians living in a NATO country including nurses, teachers and Civil Servants employed by the MOD or F&C Depts. The same entitlement is also for any NATO nation soldier deployed to the UK.

The Motor Mileage Allowance is now not worth claiming.

The privilege of promotion comes with having to be a member of a Mess, Sgt's, Cpl's or Officer's as part of Queens Regulations. For the privilege you get to pay a fee even when you don't attend.

Great eh!

It does make me laugh when people mention tube drivers on £65k, that's going to be a very small percentage (if it's true at all) and if it is indeed true they are probably working every hour God sends to earn it.

Good luck to them, it's a crappy job at times and they are stuck in a black tunnel for most of their lives.

That's gotta be a cue for a dirty joke...

If people don't like the 1% perhaps they best use their right to look for another job.

If people don't like what they get paid vs someone else in another profession, they best use their right to look for another job.

If people spent more time doing something about their "gripes" instead of bitching about them, they wouldn't have much to be bitching about.

I work for the public sector before anyone asks! ;)

Most nurses,600,000 of them will get annual automatic "progression" pay rises of 3%. Don't believe all you hear.

Perhaps some of them could make up the shortfall in the Reserves for some extra cash.

Please don't take this as a pop at you because it isn't, but with regard to the quoted bit, whilst I totally understand where you are coming from, essentially the tax you pay is simply a recycling of a tax already taken from the private sector and then paid out to you in the public sector as a wage. The public sector purse isn't self-sustaining sadly. That said, without certain military interventions, you could argue that some private sector industries wouldn't make the money they do, so no one can begrudge you a salary and therefore your point of view.

It's no different really from a private sector company "making money" from a public sector contract. It's not generating wealth as such it's merely robbing Peter to pay Paul.

No offence taken Dave, I was being ironic.

Some do it because they feel someone has to do the job (or love of it). My wife is a carer and to some of her clients she is the the only person that comes in thier home day in day out. Right or wrong I feel humbled somtimes as I get paid four times what she gets for pushing lumps of metal through a aerospace production line. They are worth their weight in gold and should be rewarded by more than 1%.

Now that sounds like a really clever idea!:thumb:

So let's just say that all the senior doctors did exactly that. So what exactly do you think would happen when you were run over by a car, your wife went into premature labour, your dad had a heart attack, your child was diagnosed with a brain tumour etc etc?:wonder:

And how much of your tax money would it cost to train a new cohort of specialists?

Btw, I'm not really moaning as I think I'm paid reasonably well. And to be honest in my sort of job money has never been the prime motivator.

However a pay freeze (effectively a pay cut) over the last five years is getting a bit annoying.

The boy got out of the nhs When he could
The training he says is still the bet in the world though

When he worked for the nhs he did mixture of days / nights over 36 hours and was lucky if he got a five minute break for a cup of tea or to get to the toilet l
He used to spend 2/3 hours a shift writing a report which then had to go to a typist which would spend a hour trying to work out his writing ,then type it out then the boy had to check the accuracy before sighing it off
Half the time it was wrong .
He wanted to be a nurse not check Admin staff errors
He got paid 24k after five years training

He saw the light went to Australia
3 @12 hour day shifts only and has to leave the ward for an hour for a brake in the sunshine by law
The Aussie NHS is slightly behind uk NHS in a few ways ,that's why they want uk trained To help them and he loves his four rest days sitting kin the beach
Pay about £60k uk pounds and goes up 5/6 % per annum

He is not comeing back to work in the uk

They need to sack all the middle management pen pushers in the uk and gave something back to the staff
I've spent a bit of time on hospital and always witnessed staff who love the job but are bitter to management policy's and they see so much inefficiency in the NhS

My daughter, a student nurse is in Australia now on a 4 week placement partially funded by the NHS, the rest by me :), she was also given a £500 cash bursary to help with expenses. Although I think it's a fantastic opportunity for her you do have to wonder why these students need to go off to faraway lands at great expense. Some of the girls have gone to South America, Africa etcon what is basically a jolly.

I've never really heard of student nurses in England going on these sort of things.

Perhaps what you describe explains why NHS Wales (run by Labour controlled Welsh assembly) is a basket case.

similar to police - we have had loads going over to Australia and New Zealand for more pay and a better life style. Always state that "if it doesn't workout i'll come back" - strange that none have though

I bet not many go to the good ol' US of A?

i don't think we can - you have to be a born and bread 'US of A' type person to apply

Not forgetting that the NHS recruitment staff have trawled Africa taking nurses away from vital jobs in their impoverished home countries. A disgusting practice IMHO.

dl

Regular Officer

You can become an Regular Officer whether you’ve been to university or not. You’ll earn a salary while you train of £24,971 and when you are commissioned as a Second Lieutenant this will rise to £30,014. If you’re still serving in the Army after five years you could be earning at least £38,463 as a Captain

David, the figures I quoted are from the new MOD pay scale s as at 01 Apr 14. You are quoting trained rates before any deductions. If you have not been to university your pay is less and you have to gain degree quals to progress.

The Army website quotes all the good stuff.

You can't take an increment as a pay rise. It's not, it a promised part of salary progression, and is used to get starting salaries lower.

A pay rise is one everyone in the job gets and should be a MINIMUM of whatever inflation is lied at.

Fair enough and you are in a much better position on this.

I was just looking for a rough comparison for trained workers. And of course, nurses don't get killed or seriously injured (well not usually :))

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Ding, maybe just in Wales then. And yes it's a shambles here being run by the idiots in the Welsh Assembly. Giving £50m to the Celtic Manor and buying Cardiff Airport for £52m don't help either. Feckin lefties;)

Saying that my wifes treatment for cancer was superb though we did have to pay for a scan privately before her op which was annoying, but we were lucky we could afford it.

You're wasting your breath mate. I've said this before (I wholeheartedly agree with you) and got either silence or further b1tching :D

One of my lot went and ended up in the middle of the. Australian outback, hated it at first but managed to move closer to civilisation and loves it now

He said the out of work lifestyle was so good he couldve put up with all the crap at work

Lots go to Canada too

Large public bodies = too many vested interests.

Specific examples please

dl

Depends what you call peanuts.

My neice is a newly qualified nurse, who works really hard. She told me the other day, they were short staffed and she had to do 12 hours with hardly any breaks. I don't know her salary though.

On the other hand, i know people in the private sector who do 12 hour shifts, and when its busy, have no breaks. 18k a year and no pension or sick pay.

That's incorrect, unless they've changed the rules.

I have a friend who's a Nurse in Chicago. She's been out there for probably 15-20 years

He's talking Police though, so a different kettle of fish.

This 1% is all a cock and bull story.

Most will get annual increments, most get (and have done for ever) TWO pay rises per year.

So, in reality they get around 4% .....

If it's so bad, why are there so many people wanting the jobs complained about?

Take the Firefighters ....... 50 applicants for every vacancy!!