Link to the thread?

This one Micky?

https://www.scoobynet.com/engine-man...ease-read.html

Does it really matter what software or system is used, as long as the end result is gained is satisfactory..?

I have used Andrew for the last 8 years or so on both my own cars and customers cars when I was in the trade, and always found him to be more than helpful with very good results gained.

Never had any engine blow ups, and if there has been any problems (as there tends to be with some ECU's) he has always sorted it out.

I have always used the OEM ecu route on my own cars, mapped using whatever Open Source system/software Andrew cared to use. It is of no importance to me whatsoever so long as the results are acheived.

Indeed I never bothered to ask, because I don't think it is relevant.

FWIW, I have had/driven/experienced many Subaru's mapped by other tuners in the Subaru world (of which there are not in fact that many) and always found Andrew's results to be extremely comparable, and far better, than many out there.

I thought there was one on the RomRaider site, should remember to look closer to home. :D

Cheers Jay, much appreciated. :thumb:

Not to me Neil, I'm just a nosey fcuker. :D

This micky
http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=36&t=9015
Although I use Carr and find him top notch and can't fault him, but there seems to be a naughty thing he has done, ( but un-proven ATM)

Using OS roms in itself is not a bad thing, it is the fact he has used the developed SD method which is a hell of a lot different to the normal download rom of car, modify and reload using ecuflash or whatever. The rest of the tactics are low. I noticed his site has removed the link, he doesnt have to explain on here or wherever but it certainly wouldnt do his business much good if left though.

I couldnt give a flying fook ! my map is bang on, by my ass dyno and on the rolling rd its showing its great, all fueling, boost, AFR is great, job done in my mind. For what its worth, ive seen a car today that another specialist on this site got a grilling over, and having listened to it, and looked at it (im talking about the engine only here) i really cannot see what the problem with it was, sounds sweet and looks sweet, forums are a nightmare for throwing things out there, instead of bitching about something that has not yet been proven why cant someone ask Andrew directly ?

I think they already have but he's not replying to his emails for starters.

I'm sure he's fully aware what's happening here and may just be picking his moment to comment on SN, and then again he might not.

However good or bad a job he's done on your car isn't the issue here. The issue here is passing someone elses work off as entirely your own, namely the creation of SuperROM. SuperROM is Carberry, one and the same, and hasn't been altered, as A Carr has said it has to be more stable, when there was nothing unstable about Carberry in the first place!! It just requires a lot more time and effort and head scratching plus patience to tune. It can't be done in a couple of hours to any degree of real satisfaction.

Andy Carr is NOT on snet.

My point is it is unproven and right now some peoples comments are unjust when the chap has not yet had chance to comment. Mud sticks and its unfair !

That's not really the point, the point is some clever American bloke creates something, offers it for free and some English bloke claims it as his own, renames it and rakes thousands in from using his own 'superRom' tuning tool (All here say at the minute)

At least he donated $80 though lol

Maybe it's all Andrew's work and he'll come on and explain, afterall it's 'better' so it must be ;)

I don't really see what he gains from renaming it and saying it's his own? I mean carbibbles is happy for it to be used anyway, the end customer is happy because he's saved a couple of hundred quid over ecutek so why bother?

I know one thing, if I was mapping and getting £300 a shot using this guys creation I'd donate 10% every single time!

Has now come from the horses mouth, Mr carr has replied on the romraider thread, short and sweet answer with a weak excuse, in my opinion of course.

What did he say?

I seem to have unintentionally caused a sh*t storm here for which I am genuinely sorry.

I am not trying to pass off the Carberry ROM as my own work and anyone who inquires about it is told that it is an opensource development. Nowhere on the information page nor in person have I ever claimed that it is my own work.

Additionally I have never claimed that the Carberry ROM was unstable, however, one of the reasons for using another name was because other parties in the UK regularly undermine OpenSource mapping and the Carberry ROM is no exception!

Andrew...



case closed ?

ps andy is mapping mine in the morning :)

If what sccobiewrx says on the romRaider site is true, he's been asked if it's Carberry and "categorically said no every time and stated that superRom is his own work"

Sounds like he's been rumbled but silly really as it was pointless doing it anyway as everyone that's been mapped by him probably wouldn't give two hoots if it's carberry, gooseberry or steveberry!

Who have they asked in this short space of time though???
And where is the evidence of these roumers?
No offence but that scoobie guy is going in all guns blazing, now that andy has spoken let him and the bibbles sort it out, without jumping on the band wagon as per usual.

But dangle berries are a different story.

Coat!

So each time myself or another member has been given a slagging for using said rom or similar , it was known that it was all a load of bolloxks
So when I've asked mappers can we have some honesty all we have recieved is bull ,,,, why have none stood up and said yeah it's fine to use , instead of underhanded keeping a low profile and dismissing It as bug riddled , unstable ect yet all the time using it for themselves on the sly

And you think Andy Carr is the only one

Those of us using it know it's fine , as for the rest of you

SUCKERS

:luxhello: +1
Me personally I'd Rather use andy for os than to pay for ecutek anyday but diffrent price :wonder:

no doubt this will get quickly brushed under the carpet ,
But I think it's been a valuable lesson

Do not take everything mappers say as gospel ( proven with this thread )

It is not the first time mappers have said oh no you can't do that , but in reality they do it
Themselves

And yet again a massive lack of input by the usuall names ( still hiding maybe )
Then crawl back out when they sniff some work

Makes me sick

Nobody is jumping on any bandwagons here busta ;)

There are a handful of people including myself that have strongly suspected for quite some time that SuperROM is just Carberry and nothing more, and know what has been said to a handful of people about what SuperROM is.

It has been billed as being better than and completely different to Carberry. There are only a very tiny set of software tools for doing newage ECU's....EcuTek, OS and Cobb, that's it.

If there was something really new on the Horizon we hear the rumblings and know all about it. These things aren't done overnight, they can take months and years of on-going development and these things are very hard to keep secret.

Carberry shows itself via RR and Carbibles, and a very short time later SuperROM suddenly shows up with identical features and capabilities right down the line. You don't have to be a feckin rocket scientist to work things out here.

Carbibles some time ago was told about this. Prior to this he know nothing about it. Either he's only just cottoned on what's been told to him is true or only just got round to checking for himself.

Either way SuperROM has been palmed off as original work when it was Carberry all the time. Look at the excuse he's come up with now on RomRaider admitting it is Carberry but was calling it SuperROM for another reason i.e. because OS was being undermined!!

FPMSL!! :lol:

other than him claiming its his and charging £300, hows this diff from the other "famous" open source mappers who dont claim that and still charge £300?

It's the undermining aspect that is a joke , the fact is a lot of mappers do like to revel in undermining o/s software , especially the ecutek brigade ,
So for those maybe thinking of o/s it has maybe cast doubt
This as now played straight into mr carrs hands as the perfect excuse
Yet all along knowing its fine ( as others do )
Why the hell don't they grow a set , stand up and say , hey there's a new rom called carberry its new but looking good , do you want to try it !
Every one wins carbibbles gets his credit + his minimal £
The customer gets what is described on the tin , the mapper does a good job Keeps his reputation and everyone's a winner
But no , let's shroud it all in secrecy , build ourselves up as superrom super mappers , take every scrap of credit and all the cash we can get
Carry on guys because you've already picked up the Gun , it won't be long till you've shot your foot ,

Big difference as per below.

Fully understand fella, I'm 50/50 on this as I can see both parties side of things, I agree if that is what's been determined was the case then I can only agree that telling people that it's not and saying mine is better etc, I can only take your word for it, but its just hearsay and not confirmed by anyone that andy told me this andy told me that.
Andy has appolagised for any confusion and I'm sure if he was doing wrong then he won't be doing it again will he? After all this. People live and learn and like I said earlier there are other mappers that probably doing the same as there has been mocking of the carberry rom on here by certain mappers and not andy and he has no snet account.
Regards

Because some of the reasons given for the cost is the proven tested super roms Used , which Is not always the case ( as seen In this case ) That's not to say its not Good By any means And it's been distributed free / honour system donations
By guys that have put a lot of work into

Mr Carr replying to scoobiewrx55


Scoobywrx, you obviously have a personal problem with me:

"People need to know he is a lying scumbag and a rip-off merchant, end of!!"

"Andrew Carr.....You have been exposed as a lying, cheating, double-dealing Rogue Trader!!"

"I'm reliably informed he can't even map a MAF tuned car safely so god only knows how he he is going to manage with this. I know a well known engine builder that has some engines in for repair that were apparently mapped by this chap and there are unhappy customers out there not singing his praises on ScoobyNet and other forums so not good for the rep of other Open Source tuners that do a good job in the UK."

That's a very hurtful personal attack, I would hate to think that anyone thinks so poorly of me. Assuming you are in the UK, please get in touch to discuss whatever issues you may have with me.





Scooby can you explain in bold as I have not seen any threads or posts with people having problems with their cars due to andy mapping them?
Regards

perhaps hes tried to use that as a reason to charge £300 for 1st map, but lets be real here, every os mapper charges the same ! iam really not seeing a whole lot of diff to the end consumer, morally wrong but when it comes to cash i guess they can skip that part.
Ive had both os map and ecutek, and for the os map they charged me £300 for 1st map to, not any diff to me

I think you are missing the point though Pramas. carberry does a whole lot more than a regular os map. Antilag, multimple ways of providing launch control, switchable maps. Regular OS cant do that.