So we need to jail all chavs and deport all immigrants?

How about we gas all gays, send any disabled people to the electric chair and start a little group for our kids called the Hitler Youth while we are at it.

The people that make me cringe in dismay whenever I go abroad? Brits.
The people that have made binge drinking a national sport? Brits.
The people who founded football violence abroad? Brits.

Perhaps if we looked at our own issues and let hard working immigrants, who have done stuff none of us would ever dream of enduring to get here, then we might get somewhere.

Now where can I find a gun? I can see a nasty gypsy that needs shooting.

Yes I do as it happens. I'm against anyone illegally here, but as a problem it's largely a fantasy that has zero impact on the average Brits day-to-day life. Of course the Daily Mail will tell you different, I suggest you change your newspaper

i think Italy's attitude of letting boat loads of Africans fend for themselves on the high seas stinks tbh

Most make the dangerous trip to better themselves, not, as the Daily Mail would have you believe sit on their fat arses and claim benefits, that seems to be the preserve of the British in the main

makes me ashamed to be British to hear some of the views on here

You need to keep reminding yourself that this place isn't representative of the real world...thankfully:)

I do not think anyone would condone sending them back to sea in the craft they arrived on if it is not fit for purpose.

I also think you would be deranged if you thought it OK to let illegals here and stay if caught, that would be madness although you allude to agreeing with that, seems you are more that happy to run down the general population of this country and do you think a poll of 10,000 of the general population would feel any different??? Is SN so different from the general mood of the country.

And yet again running people down and using the DM card getting as boring as the race card, i do wonder just how many of its readers go about their daily lives, employed and paying into the UK system, not committing crimes and bringing up their families are they all thicko white racist extremists Martin - LOL!

Oh and finally - my favorite, always dragged out - "what about all the chavs and scroungers" - exactly - two separate issues, not one cancels out the other and both need dealing with, shame some people do not have the common sense to separate the two issues out and see that for themselves - maybe they are the thicko's;)

As i said, once this has affected a few of the chattering classes then they are likely to change their tunes a bit:)

OPh and can anybody honestly tell me why so many illegals come here to the UK, through so many EU countries to get here if not to use our benefits and health system and in some cases work illegally - is that really ok? does that make me a right wing DM reading thicko racist to want that to stop???

Hodgy .... I think the Italians escort the boats back to libya etc

I read a good response to a question posted about what percentage of illegal immigrants commit a crime... the answer is they all do.

All of the above comments do not reflect my views on this issue, you pressume to know WAY too much about what I think on this.

BTW, if you did a pole of the general populas, asking who they are going to vote for at the next election, what % would say BNP? Now let us compare that to the pole on here. You tell me how reflective this place is then.

You do understand that this is about illegals.
Like the disabled people to the electric chair - did you mean the pun;)
Plenty of football violence in Italy, Eastern Europe and Germany matey, much worse that here and much more right wing.
Much more drinking in Ruissia for example, more drunks and more violence due to it.
Just becasue people speak up for their rights does not make them nazis, my father and several relations fought the Nazis and i find that distasteful as a few died doing so - Perhaps you should think it out a bit beofre typing such tripe! millions of Brits died keeping this country British!

Well it should be of little surprise what side of the debate you would come down on I mean....

You rejoiced in children burning to death in a stolen car

Want criminal tortured and some killed

I'm surprised you're not advocating public floggings for illegals

You know I wish we as a country had a more joined up policy on this. We wouldn't have half the people wanting to live here if we did more to improve their standard of living where they are.

Martin, I did not post that to say I hate all immigrants (which I do not). But by definition every illegal immigrant is a criminal

Martin, why just the BNP, you seem fixated on them and calling everyone who does not want illegals her as right wing thickos. Just because people do not want illegals here does not make them racist

Tell me do you believe it does then, more fool you Martin, perhaps you are the one with issues matey;)

How about UKIP for instance, they are likely to gain support as well.

Martin - do you want a country with 1,000,000 illegals none of which we know anything about, working in a 'grey world', not paying into the system or contributing. Us not knowing what their past is or what they are doing or why they are here - Is that right?

If caught should Illegals be allowed to stay, they have broken the law by entering the country illegally in the first place.

Get a grip, stop playing the race card, stop thinking all that do not agree with you are wrong and dismissing them right wing morons FFS!


In your last emotive and well (mentally) edited post to keep out some key points and facts about prisoners, etc so i will fill in for you:)

Joyriding kids stole a car and died - they chose to steal it and it cost them their lives, perhaps they should have chosen not to steal it. I wonder how many innocents have been killed and how many people have had their car stolen by just such scum who seem to be in a position of being untouchable...

Killing prisoners - if you mean men who raped a 3 month old baby or Baby P's parents i think the consensus of opinion is that they should be put down for what they have down

Public floggings of illegals, close your foaming mouth and get a grip, you really do like to get all worked up and dramatic don't you;)


Martin NL have tried the nicey, nicely PC approach you so love, we now have soaring Knife and gun crime by teenagers with no fear of anyone or anything who will gladly kill you for you phone. We have generally increased crime, oh and chat to real coppers and they will tell you just how figures are massaged and boxes ticked to show it is decreasing in some areas. For those who live in the real world we see what is going on. I suggest you visit some of the more choice housing estates in London and wander about at night to see what it is like.

Have a good 'un:)

Oh and please answer the questions:)

So is almost every English person who has ever driven a car. Being a criminal does not make you a bad person

That is a poor argument at best, Luan

P*ss poor at best

Firstly and let's be very clear about this (again) I am opposed to illegal immigration, I want a fair and well implemented immigration policy (I suspect I might disagree with some on here about the 'fair' part of that statement, but hey).

Secondly, will you just stop trying to paint me into a corner on this, I have not ONCE said anything about race, or racism....NOT ONCE!

I have not called anyone a 'thicko' again not once!

As for the 1,000,000 illegals working here, my first question would be is that actually true, how can you know that? As far as how I feel about illegalls working here, I've already made it clear that I am against that.

Let's get this into perspective thats my main point here.

PS just stop the jibes, I could very easily twist and characterize some of your views in a very negative way, but I don't think that it really helps

Ok Martin, if you find a bunch of illegals on a boat on the way to Britain do you think they should be allowed to continue to Britain or returned to the port they left from?

Please tell me why you keep mentioning the BNP as an alternative, by doing so you brand people who disagree with you as racist, you cannot be naive enough to think otherwise, can you? I cannot count the number of times you have used DM reading and thicko or racist in other discussions just like this.

I see you choose not to comment on my expanded headlines of yours, not surprised really. and stop foaming at the mouth;) and posting unhelpful comments about public floggings if immigrants then, you behave and i will:)

Government figures on illegal immigration believe it to be 750,000 - 1,000,000. Would 'just' 750,000 be alright?

We really must get a beer some time - but none of that foreign muck served by illegal staff!

Well I only mentioned BNP to answer YOUR point about how unrepresentative this place can be. I repeat I HAVE NEVER CALLED ANYONE A RACIST.
It's hard to not reference the Daily Mail on a thread given that so many threads are started using Dail Mail headlines, and links

The expanded headlines as you put it. Well nobody is doubting that the kids that died in the car were killed by their own actions, I just cannot understand why ANYONE would derive such pleasure from such a terrible outcome.
We've had plenty of death penalty discussion on here, not just the highly immotive baby Peter case. And in no instance has anyone been able to give me a good reason why killing someone makes our society a better place.

Returned obviously.
That's such a bizzarre question, and proves you just read the bits you want to read and assume the rest

No, not bizzare, the OP was on about Italy's policy.

I just wanted your view on it. So we can agree that we both support the policy

Well, have little problems putting down the scum who murdered BabyP case and the baby rapists i posted last week.:)
Does it make me as bad as them, no, i have not raped a 3 month old baby or beated a little boy to death for the fun of it, hitting him so hard he swallowed his own teeth. I just want those who do so removed from society for good:)


Martin - you keep on about the BNP - it isas if anyone who disagrees is a likely voter, i am not and i am sure many other are not. I wouldn't vote for the BNP under any circumstances, I will relook at UKIP mind nbut please stop this BNP as the alternative, it is not, not all who want illegals removed are BNP or will become BNP supporters!

When do you fancy going for a beer then:)

No I don't have you down as a BNP voter at all and would never of said that (mind you UKIP!!! you do know they are all bonkers don't you:))

Well I want illegalls sorted out too so for that hypothesis to be true then I'd have to be a BNP voter.

I think the point is (and it's undeniable) that 20% of SNetters said they would vote BNP, hell it was your poll not mine. So I think I'm quite right to point that out in relation to threads like this.

A beer, why would you want to be seen out with a sandal wearing lefty like me?:lol1:

Not in this thread but in https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...-boris-go.html

Admittedly with a smilie but the way you bandy 'Daily Mail' readers around it's obvious that you have little regard for the paper or its readers. Strange that people who are more 'right of centre' tend to mention the Guardian with such phrases as being 'left wing' but those more 'left of centre' spout such things as 'xenophobic Daily Mail readers', insulting the readers rather than the standard of journalism. Typical left-wing tactics, especially as the DM has a large readership. Funny that .....

Dave

I think ANYONE who comes over here Illegally should be sent back NO matter what there excuse is on the next boat flight etc...! I live 15 miles away form a Immigration camp and I am not joking but its fooking RAMMED with Illegals pending deportation! :eek:

Well I don't read the Guardian.

BTW you are wrong I don't have 'little regard for the Daily Mail', I have no regard whatsoever for the Daily Mail;)

Do you keep records of all my posts...do I have a stalker?

some of you that know me will be suprised by this post!

if we didnt go and mess with them africans by robbing them of all there wealth and doing the whole slavery trade they wouldnt be 100 years behind us.

in regards to immigrants where i live you got albanian gangsters who control most of the underground ladies of the night,then you have turks and kurds who control most of the big drug pushing but I DONT KNOW OF ANY TURK OR KURDS THAT OWN BIG BOATS?. you also got algerians, nigerians, somalian, morocans, people from zaire, ghana they are all diffrent and they all specilse in diffrent crimes. but the majority of them are hard workers most africans that come to my agency to buy or rent properties have two jobs as one job doesnt really cut it in london like a supermarket job for example.

in saudi if your not from there and you have a visa to work then your require a guarntor with out a guarntour you cant remain in the country. that was the law a while back not sure if its the same. if any one commited a small crime then they get deported back rightly so.

should the u.k use the same system well my answer is YES WHY NOT? im from east africa well my parent are and i was born in saudi and lived most of my life in here. and i live and was brought up in north london and even i get bothered by immigrants who do not wish to work or do anything constractive.

to be honest the government gives immigrants and chavs a free ride. now the good immigrants the came here for a genuine reason to work hard or to improve there life style by improving there education to progress in life then im with them. but the ones the want to carry on silly send them back to where they come from.

and by the looks of it i think people on this forum suffer more from Islamophobia than racism lol great well im buggerd then

I'm not sure you can blame all Africa's ill's on colonialism. Pretty much any infrastructure put in place has been torn up and destroyed. And deep rooted corruption and tribal squabbles going back 100's of years have played their part.

^^^Agree with the above^^^^

Also Mus, to put you straight if i may.
The slavers brought the African 'slaves' from Africans. Tribes used to attack other tribes and capture those worth capturing and slaughtering those not worth anything. They then sold them to the highest bidder. Not exactly friendly or nice but how it was.

Guess what, some 300 years later and Africans are attacking other tribes/villages to get slaves to dig for precious stones, etc and killing those who oppose or are of no use. Nothing has changed and Africans (well some) are quite happy to hack each other up, men women and children, even babies in the name of religion and/or pure greed.

Once precious stones, gold etc where found the greed took over and yes The Africans started killing and selling all over again.

It has been that way for a long time, pre white man intervention as well.

The Brits, French, Belquqies tried to bring some sort of order along with stripping the countries of their wealth but the Africans are hardly blameless in the process back then and even now. Now a days the Americans do not help...

We pour aid into The African countries through charity and via the government, the corrupt people in positions of power often sell this to buy arms for thier armies and militias and feed their armies and militias - if we intervened we would be accused of invasion and trying to take over - yet more African greed and corruption and no care for the people... Most Africas just want to get on with thier lives, out hand are tied as we will be seen as the agressor and invaiders even if we where asked to help and in a lot of cases the government(s) are part of the problem.

Africans (amongst others!) leave home and head for safety often leading to the UK as tails of how easy it is there get around and they cross many, many countries including many EU countries to get here - and apparently Italy as well.

Up until 50 or so years ago our population was some 30 million, we are now closer to 70 million. We cannot keep building houses or pave over the whole of the UK, we are going to have problems such as heating fuel and drinking water, etc in years to come so increasing the population by bringing in people from outside the UK cannot be the way forward. We have our own problems with people who live off of benefits and have never worked who we need to get into work for a start.

I for one would like a safe and sustainable UK for my children and their children in years to come.

I think it comes down to only allowing people to enter the country who are able to demonstrate that they will add to the society that they join (and integrate into).

As harsh as it is, this country cannot afford to sustain people who wish to only take and not give something back. (and yes I am by inference pointing to benefit scroungers as well - whereas they have a right to stay here, illegal immigrants do not)