Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8294550)
The only 'blind' spot on a lorry is when youre too close behind (and even then they should see you in their reversing camera). If the feckless f***ers bother to adjust their mirrors properly, that is...
ref my talk of mirrors ... your comment above is totally WRONG!!!!!!! if you drive HGV's you will know that our wagons have 2 mirrors on the offside and three on the nearside. This is because of the blind spot on the nearside. Sooo if you drive abroad you have a blind spot. Thats why foreign drivers have a problem here. That is what started this whole thread:Whatever_ Ref the CPC I am totally clear regards this and licencing as I am a transport manager:thumb: |
Yes, and the scene view mirror will allow you to see in the blindspot. When youre driving abroad youre looking for cars, rather than watching the kerb. As Ive already stated: thep roblem is no different to that encountered by a domestic vehicle being driven in multi lane traffic. You can see eveything in your jmirrors if you look enough: and if youre awake.....
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My Movano will whip all your wagons.
Restricted to 67 on my TomTom, 72 on the speedometer. :( IMO there are lots of blind spots in a cars vans trucks. I sort of bent a LWB Sprinter round the front of a bus, because it was in a blind spot when I checked my mirror. |
but the original posting was from someone complaining about foreign drivers pulling out as they were passing them causing them to pull into the outside lane. This IS because of the blind spot caused by the lack of mirrors. Yes the problem is the same for UK drivers abroad but you stated it was because drivers had not set their mirrors properly:razz:
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Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8294550)
The only 'blind' spot on a lorry is when youre too close behind (and even then they should see you in their reversing camera). If the feckless f***ers bother to adjust their mirrors properly, that is...
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Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8294679)
Maybe I know how to adjust my mirrors?
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My point was that with the standard and wideangle mirrors on the right hand side of that vehicle, along with the scene view mirror, that the driver would have been able to see a vehicle alongside (had he had his mirrors adjusted properly and had he used them properly - both unlikely considering the sate of many Eastern European vehicles stopped and prohibited by VOSA). The scene view mirror should have been adjusted slightly out and forward to make better use of it. I cant explain it any more clearly, so this will be my last post.
Perhaps I have magic mirrors? |
Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8295826)
My point was that with the standard and wideangle mirrors on the right hand side of that vehicle, along with the scene view mirror, that the driver would have been able to see a vehicle alongside (had he had his mirrors adjusted properly and had he used them properly - both unlikely considering the sate of many Eastern European vehicles stopped and prohibited by VOSA). The scene view mirror should have been adjusted slightly out and forward to make better use of it. I cant explain it any more clearly, so this will be my last post.
Perhaps I have magic mirrors? |
Originally Posted by daddyscoob
(Post 8295847)
You must have:thumb: strange they put different mirrors on each side of wagons and the powers that be are trying to change the law and change the mirrors they must see a problem :wonder: you could give them a ring and save them a fortune :luxhello: :luxhello: :luxhello:
lol :D never knew there where so many transport orientated people on here, i always got the gist it was all IT geeks :D |
Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8295826)
My point was that with the standard and wideangle mirrors on the right hand side of that vehicle, along with the scene view mirror, that the driver would have been able to see a vehicle alongside (had he had his mirrors adjusted properly and had he used them properly - both unlikely considering the sate of many Eastern European vehicles stopped and prohibited by VOSA). The scene view mirror should have been adjusted slightly out and forward to make better use of it. I cant explain it any more clearly, so this will be my last post.
Perhaps I have magic mirrors? |
Out of interest.............
Do you UK HGV boys think your foreign counterparts are worse/less well trained than yourselves? |
Originally Posted by shaggy1973
(Post 8295661)
not so, my 2008 volvo will fly past a lot of other similar vehicles on the motorway as my lorry is limited exactly at 56mph whereas a lot of lorries are limited at 54 and other various speeds. it does make quite a big difference.
Just glad that Dutch motorway rules don't allow lorries to overtake during the rush hour. :thumb: |
Originally Posted by phil_wrx
(Post 8295854)
lol :D
never knew there where so many transport orientated people on here, i always got the gist it was all IT geeks :D You do realise that "transport" covers cars also. ;) |
Unlimited,and easily hits speeds of 70.Great to see other drivers faces as your passing them in this.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...enworth014.jpg |
Originally Posted by speye91
(Post 8295890)
Unlimited,and easily hits speeds of 70.Great to see other drivers faces as your passing them in this.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...enworth014.jpg |
Originally Posted by mickywrx
(Post 8295881)
I drive for my living, not HGV, but it pays the bills.
You do realise that "transport" covers cars also. ;) not to real transport people it doesnt :D joke by the way |
Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8294681)
Between your (minimum of ) five mirrors, you cant lose anything if you look properly.
whilst the vast majority of new trucks have 6 mirrors, i would say the vast majority of trucks on the road only have 4 mirrors and on the 4 mirror set up you can definatly lose cars - FACT. THE BLIND SPOTS, obviously when behind. but the one that cause most accidents, on the passenger side, roughly from when your head is inline with the back of the cab and untill your back bumper is a few feet infront of the truck front bumper. this is the accident that tags your back end, sending the car spinning. never ever sit at the same speed as the truck in this area, accelerate out of it or brake out of it. the higher the truck seating position and the smaller the car then the greater the danger. the problem is made worst at night and / or when raining as the n/s kerb mirror become alot less effective, this is the mirror that looks directly down into this area. on volvo's there is no gap between the the A pillar and the passenger side mirrors, effectively turning that A pillar into one thats 1 foot wide, if the driver fails to compensate for this then it can make a blind spot big enough to hide a car in when pulling out from T junctions.
Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8294550)
The only 'blind' spot on a lorry is when youre too close behind (and even then they should see you in their reversing camera). If the feckless f***ers bother to adjust their mirrors properly, that is...
Originally Posted by GC8
(Post 8295628)
The driver of a LHD articulated lorry has no more of a blind spot on the right hand side than the driver of a RHD vehicle has on the left hand side and that driver will encounter similar problems every day in multi-lane traffic. If you pay attention, observe properly and have your mirrors correctly adjusted then you can see perfectly well.
Simon i agree on the 1st part but disagree on the 2nd. when a rhd truck moves back over to the left after overtaking you know what your've overtaken and in theory your moving into a slower moving lane. when a lhd has to pull out, its into a faster moving lane, its all done on mirrors so is harder to judge gaps / speed and you could spend 20 seconds checking mirrors but if someone is matching the speed along side the cab its possible they could lose them. an whilst you should always know what is around you, in a perfect world an all, all it needs is something infront to take your attention, in that time the empty middle lane has had a car come over from the 3rd and sit in the blind spot. so when the lhd driver does his 'whats around me check' the middle lane may appear empty still, were the rhd driver can look over his shoulder and as if by magic, appears the car. so whilst the blind spots are the same just on the opposite side, the danger is far greater. stevie |
Originally Posted by stevie boy
(Post 8295968)
my guess would be there are far more trucks out there without a rear camera than ones that have. stevie well i work for eddie stobarts in warrington and we have 257 units here and none have rear reverse cameras and they all have 5 mirror set ups but this is just because they are less than 2 years old |
I agree the use of the term CPC is misleading, esp in an industry where the term CPC has always refered to the OL CPC.
Just to clarify too, the CPC will apply to all vehicles over 3500kg GVW used for business. So watch out - a lot more people are caught by this new law than people realise. As for types of OL, there are: Restricted: For companies or individuals wishing to carry their own goods in connection with their trade or profession. Standard National: For companies operating for hire or reward i.e. haulage companies, within the UK. Standard International: For companies operating for hire or reward within the UK and abroad. |
Oh, and my understanding is they are getting rid of restricted in a few years, sure I read that in CM somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
(Post 8294678)
I don't care if you have one or not, but I can tell you for fact that on LHD lorry's that being too close behind is not the only blind spot, maybe you don't know enough about your job?
Les |
Originally Posted by Suresh
(Post 8295878)
I can imagine you sitting there on the overtake; fingers tightly gripping the wheel and 'pedal to the metal' whilst counting the minutes that it takes for the other lorries disappear in your mirrors. :lol1:
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Originally Posted by speye91
(Post 8295890)
Unlimited,and easily hits speeds of 70.Great to see other drivers faces as your passing them in this.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...enworth014.jpg Mick Gould Recovery has some nice motors. http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/m1cks/gould.jpg |
why would he need to have the 5th wheel removed if he could pass his class 1? you only need c entitlement to drive a unit solo
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and im not really into the american style trucks to be honest but i do like optimus prime :D
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Originally Posted by phil_wrx
(Post 8298255)
why would he need to have the 5th wheel removed if he could pass his class 1? you only need c entitlement to drive a unit solo
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you can drive a tractor unit without a trailer and the 5th wheel intact on a class 2 licence mate :)
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Originally Posted by m1cks
(Post 8300553)
I said couldn't pass his class 1. Had to get the 5th wheel removed to be able to drive it on the road as a class 2.
i said u dont need to remove the 5th wheel to drive the unit on a class 2 licence :brickwall |
Originally Posted by shaggy1973
(Post 8300587)
you can drive a tractor unit without a trailer and the 5th wheel intact on a class 2 licence mate :)
The likes of eubank and a lot of people i have seen at truck shows who drives their tractor units privetely and not for business use has took the 5th wheel off to make the unit look bettet (for shows etc etc). And people who use them privetley (like Eubank) doesnt have to pay as much road tax on the tractor unit, or have to get a O licence. :) |
Originally Posted by m1cks
(Post 8298076)
That's Eubanks old truck isn't it? Notice the 5th wheel removed from the back because he couldn't pass his class 1.
Mick Gould Recovery has some nice motors. http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/m1cks/gould.jpg Sorry to say that is not Eubanks truck.He still has his,and its a PETERBILT that he owns. In my pic its clearly a KENWORTH. Also this is a semi working truck,also goes to shows.Active fifth wheel.;) m1cks if you look at your pic of Ken's trucks from right to left there is a Scania,Kenworth,then 2 Peterbilt's;) |
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