black hawkeye looks amazing:thumb:

wiley

true, if all spoliers did was look cool i very much doubt any F1 car would use them, they are there for a purpose............. downforce :)

F1 cars create downforce with the speeds they achieve, so spoilers make sense in that application. Whether they give 1/10th of the benefits on an Impreza is doubtful to say the least.

Im fully aware of what a spoiler does, but to quote Dave Lapworth "they where a marketing excercise"

Yes, indeed. I was speaking of spoilers in general - I agree about most applications; when you see the spoiler on the MG ZR is the same as the STi Wagon's you've got ask questions!

Funny how most of the spoiler-less cars are yanks where roads are straight etc.

Time for some facts. Make you own mind up whether you feel you need to have downforce for grip. I have and would not remove it for the world (even on the public road)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...idownforce.jpg

iirc the two speeds at which these were judged were 100kph and 150 kph.

I can only speak from experience; on track they make a considerable difference to stability. There is also a marked difference between a mid level spoiler - an STi4, for instance- and an STi5.

Whilst it is noticeable on the straights, long fast corners are where it really shows; Island at Oulton can be taken 10-15mph faster with an STi6 wing than a mid level as the car feels much more settled.

On the road I'd suggest they're of negligible value.

More down force on the back = Even more understeer
And with a Subaru too much understeer is not enough:thumb:

Casting my mind back a way a seem to recall a guy from Prodrive on about the rear spoiler on the Blobeye, neither the STi or WRX spoiler generated actual downforce, but both acted as lift arresters, helping cut down on the lift the car generates. There was not much difference between either spoiler, the WRX one creating less drag but haveing roughly the same effect on reducing lift.

Add a simple front splitter and the lift / understeer is reduced.

Add a better front splitter and front downforce is created enabling more rear spoiler and better balance (and loads more grip through the twisties)

Understeer is considered safer by most mfrs

[QUOTE=dynamix;8228178]Add a simple front splitter and the lift / understeer is reduced.

Add a better front splitter and front downforce is created enabling more rear spoiler and better balance (and loads more grip through the twisties)

judging by your results it makes no difference at all:norty: :lol1:

[QUOTE=ditchmyster;8228375]Ah, sorry. Where did you finish in the results?

[QUOTE=dynamix;8228377]:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :p :thumb:

Quite simply...... if YOU think that spoilers are a marketing ploy for a Scoob, then you should clearly trade your scoob in for a push bike! :D

Does the Scoob need a carlos fandango spoiler, to which you could do your ironing on it, for pure road use? Perhaps not..... but they do and can make a difference. You wouldnt catch me taking mine off, as I know very well what would happen at speed when I lift off....... but then my car is not exactly standard. :D

The benefits would be down to the car, use and the driver, as regards to how much a difference would be seen.

I appreciate this is an example of an extreme case..... but this is the kind of affects that taking your spoiler off can have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y

I was at Castle Combe and Snettedon recently and did a few laps without my GT wing, it certainly made a difference under braking and taking the fast corners at the above circuits!

For example, the car felt very light and unstable at high speed through the bend on the main straight at castle combe!

I have taken the small wrx spoiler off mine and i think it looks nice cause its different compared with most.

Since taking it off, it has affected the handling but only at high speeds.

one very lucky bloke tbh ;)

The RA-R came without a spoiler to help whip the back around more quickly, well that's what I've read anyway. The spoiler is FRP not carbon. It produces less drag than the standard high spoilers on STI's.

I rememeber that happening to Rich, he sold the car not long after, think it fooked is head up that which it would most poeople i,m sure....:cuckoo:

I think it would mine as well. It was so lucky that did not go REALLY bad..... and so lucky that it did not dig in on one side.

More like lack of talent!

Jokin...LOL

Casting my mind back to the original Audi TT. Are you sure about that? If we allow that people occasionally exceed 60mph and a sweeping open corner is a challenge for many? Just a bit of a throttle lift mid-corner may have rather different results with or without the spoiler.

J.

Must ask this guy for some advice on car setup:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

The TT is a bit of a different case, but the principal is the same. I assume that because the Impreza is a saloon with a boot hanging out of the back, it is somewhat different than the end of a turd shape that is as slippery as an eel. :D

Sorry, wasn't talking about the TT, and have no experience of them on the road; I speak from experience rather than a scientific standpoint :)

still unsure then as to what the effect would be? dont like the sti spoiler and prefer the wrx one but rather fancy loosing them all together, however, not at the cost of handling and grip NO WAY...i aim to have my sti running @350bhp sitting on adjustables,droplink, bump steer etc..will it really make the difference?

Anyone know what the wheels are in the pic? :)

which pic?